[Spam] RE: [Vision2020] LMT Article on Rape --
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Wed Oct 26 12:41:13 PDT 2005
Another consideration - the fact that IF a charge is filed and IF it goes to
court, the victim will be ripped apart by the defense and their "sex-life"
will be what is really on trial.
Even today, the courts/lawyers tend to forget that rape is not about sex -
it is about use of power to subdue another person for the perp's own sense
of gratification.
J ;)
>From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>To: deco at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] LMT Article on Rape --
>Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:26:46 -0700
>
>
>I think that you make a good point, Wayne -- many women are more
>comfortable talking to a woman after an assault, although I tend to be less
>concerned with the gender than the attitude and demeanor of the person
>investigating. All the more reason, then, why the belief that most rape
>reports are false is so damaging: the barrier of opposite-gender
>interaction, laced with a presumption of disbelief, is difficult under
>normal social interaction. Interaction arising from the most invasive and
>humiliating circumstances only adds to it, to the detriment of the woman
>involved and the benefit, unfortunately, of men who prey on women.
>
>keely
>
>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] LMT Article on Rape --
>Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:43:39 -0700
>
>Keely,
>
>At the risk of appearing sexist:
>
>I wonder what the opinions of past victims of sexual assault and/or the
>opinions of V 2020 posters are on the following:
>
>Perhaps victims of sexual assault/abuse might be more comfortable talking
>to an experienced, qualified law enforcement officer of their own gender.
>Perhaps, such a policy would result in more and better reporting.
>
>I am not shy and usually am comfortable talking to anyone on any subject
>regardless of gender (sometimes much to the embarrassment of the
>conversants). But I know most other people feel differently. Many women
>feel more comfortable, open, and expansive with a female gynecologist than
>a male. Many men feel the same toward using a male urologist rather than a
>female.
>
>If one of the objects of reporting a sexual assault is to bring about an
>arrest and conviction, thus requiring the clearest and most expansive
>information from the victim, then perhaps a victim of sexual assault could
>be at least offered the alternative of choosing the gender of the
>investigating officer(s). The same may also be true of the gender of those
>in the prosecutor's office with whom the victim interfaces.
>
>Perhaps in time attitudes towards the gender of the investigators might
>change, but for now...
>
>
>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>deco at moscow.com
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>To: <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>; <lfalen at turbonet.com>;
><debismith at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:11 AM
>Subject: Re: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] LMT Article on Rape --
>
>
>>Ignoring that little voice in my head that says "don't even start," I
>>nonetheless will say this, Donovan:
>>
>>While I agree that newspapers sometimes get it wrong -- and yes, I've been
>>misquoted, too -- I have a hard time imagining that after reading a story
>>like that, normal people would say, "By golly, I bet that poor cop was
>>misquoted! Yes, that must be it -- it's the ONLY LIKELY POSSIBILITY!"
>>It's even harder for me to imagine the following exchange:
>>
>>Reader to LMT: Hi, I just read an article that made the cops quoted sound
>>like real idiots. Now, tell me, Mr. Editor -- did they really say that,
>>or were you just kidding?
>>
>>Editor: No, it's no joke at all. We're a newspaper, not MAD magazine.
>>
>>Reader: So, was the officer's speech so florid or so convoluted that your
>>reporter was unable to grasp the simple information stated therein? Did
>>you guys screw up? Because I know you do that.
>>
>>Editor: Damn. You caught us. Here are the reporter's notes, and it's
>>clear that he really said 70 percent of cases brought to trial didn't
>>result in a conviction. Or something like that, I dunno. Yep, we really
>>blew it but were hoping no one found out. Thanks for making us aware of
>>it, sir.
>>
>>Reader (flush with triumph): See, Keely, Debi and Andreas really ARE
>>stupid after all!
>>
>>Now, Donovan, it no doubt makes you feel better to think that, but that
>>may explain why your abundant experience and unparalleled service in UI
>>Student Government didn't include a stint in print journalism. And yet
>>the Fourth Estate survives . . . somehow.
>>
>>keely
>>
>>
>>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>>To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>, debismith at moscow.com,
>>vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] LMT Article on Rape --
>>Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:32:19 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>Many of you seem to be jumping to conclusions here.
>>How do we know for fact that any police office said
>>that 70% of rapes reported are false? Because you read
>>it in the paper? Give me a break!
>>
>>The Police were probably misquoted, or the words did
>>not come out correctly, or the reporter misquoted or
>>paraphrased incorrectly.
>>
>>95% of the time that I read something outrageous from
>>a local authority quoted in the paper, it usually
>>turns out that the people did not say what they paper
>>said they said, or were taken completely out of
>>context.
>>
>>Perhaps the police officer said, 70% of rapes do not
>>lead in a conviction, so that meant "false", either to
>>the officer, or the reporter.
>>
>>I hardly doubt that any trained, experienced police
>>officer, that is required to attend a sexual
>>harassment and abuse conference or class every year
>>would say, or intend to imply that 7 out of 10 women
>>that report rape are liars, even if they believed that
>>to be the case.
>>
>>Just because something is reported in the media, or
>>printed in black and white, does not make it true,
>>look at FOX news. Did any of you call and confirm this
>>information as being accurate?
>>
>>Donovan J Arnold
>>
>>
>>
>>--- lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>
>> > While the 8% national average for false reports
>> > maybe low, 70% is obviously a way too high. The
>> > tragedy of articles like this is that there will be
>> > more rapes going unreported.
>> > -----Original message-----
>> > From: debismith at moscow.com
>> > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:40:36 -0700
>> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Subject: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] LMT Article on Rape
>> > --
>> >
>> > > Having just completed the YWCA Week Without
>> > Violence and the Clothesline Project at
>> > > WSU, I read the article and cried. The Clothesline
>> > Project consists of over 600 t-shirts painted
>> > > over 14 years. Each shirt is painted by a survivor
>> > or supporter of someone who was assaulted,
>> > > most speaking of sexual assault. We know many of
>> > these women, we know they didn't report
>> > > the assault, and we know why they choose to not be
>> > re-victimized by the type of troglodites
>> > > exhibited by that newspaper story.
>> > >
>> > > To suggest that 70% of reported rapes are false is
>> > completely insane. Why would anyone
>> > > report a sexual assault if the police already plan
>> > to discount it? It must be true that going to
>> > > Lewiston means you move 30 miles down the hill and
>> > 30 years into the past...
>> > >
>> > > These officers desperately need remedial training.
>> > I would suggest they be required to come
>> > > hang the Clothesline Project, and read the stories
>> > of the people they call liars. And they should
>> > > be put on non-paid leave until they do.....next
>> > year, third week in October.
>> > >
>> > > Debi Robinson-Smith, YWCA of WSU
>> > >
>> > >
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