[Vision2020] Wireless Manners

masrick masrick at gmail.com
Wed Oct 19 12:31:59 PDT 2005

I have found that involving yourself in there conversation is good
(tapping them on the shoulder and giving them advice about what they are
talking so loudly about).

that does tend to drive home the message I have found

On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 12:20 -0700, keely emerinemix wrote:
> Since I will be traveling tomorrow and get to spend time in the Lewiston, 
> Salt Lake City, Phoenix and El Paso terminals, Mike's advice is much 
> appreciated.  My pet peeve?  Ringtones that play obnoxious tunes.  The irony 
> of this is that my own phone has specific tones for certain callers, and not 
> even I can pretend that "Pachelbel's Canon in D" sounds good via an LG 
> series 80.  Still, I like knowing who's calling first so I can spit out my 
> gyros before answering . . .
> Given Mike's Old West metaphor below, I'm going to key his number in under 
> the theme for "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" --- da, da, da, da, da, 
> daaaa DAAAAAAAA da . . .
> keely
> From: "Michael Curley" <curley at turbonet.com>
> Reply-To: curley at turbonet.com
> To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wireless Manners
> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:46:18 -0700
> Yes, particularly in airline terminals where for some reason certain
> folks seem to want to shout into their cell phones.  The best defense
> is to just move away when possible, but often it isn't.  I do try the
> icy stare or first, the imploring/pleading look.  When those don't
> work, I "draw" my own cell phone--perfect that here in the West where
> guns were once worn on the hip, we now wear cell phones...and i
> either place a real or imagined call to someone to whom i say in a
> PHONE HERE, AND I CAN'T HEAR YOU.  this usually does the trick and
> draws a few smiles from others who have been trying to ignore the
> shouter.
> If that the doesn't work, final move is to go stand/sit next to the
> person  and continue speaking very loudly into my cell phone.  Most
> will move, but those who don't are at least as inconvenienced as the
> rest of us.
> Maybe a more neighborly and less offensive way would be to pull out a
> sheet of paper and draw:  BUY A BETTER CELL PHONE, THEN YOU WON'T
> assume the person isn't so self-absorbed that s/he would actually
> read it.
> Mike
> On 18 Oct 2005 at 18:39, Art Deco wrote:
> Yes, and stop signs and stop lights too.
> W.
>      ----- Original Message -----
> From: Avix Magister
> To: Art Deco
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wireless Manners
> On 10/18/05, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
>      All,
> Below is a short discussion from CNN about wireless manners. Have
> any other V 2020 readers had similar expereinces? Any suggestions
> for handling the most intrusive ones?
> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
> deco at moscow.com
> can we get this to apply to turn signals as well?
>      Where are your wireless manners?
>      As public unplugs, rudeness seems to be getting worse
>      By Amy Cox
>      CNN
>      Tuesday, October 18, 2005; Posted: 10:58 a.m. EDT (14:58 GMT)
> (CNN) -- The only thing advancing quicker than wireless innovation
> may be the rudeness of the people using the technology, experts say.
> "The more gadgets there are, the worse things seem to get. People get
> really wrapped up in their little technological world, and they
> forget that there are other people out there," said Honore Ervin, co-
> author of "The Etiquette Grrls: Things You Need to Be Told." "Just
> because it's there at your disposal, doesn't mean you have to use it
> 24/7."
> A recent poll by market research company Synovate showed that 70
> percent of 1,000 respondents observed manner-less technology use in
> others at least on a daily basis.
> About the same percentage saw the poorest etiquette in cell phone
> users over other devices. The worst habit? Loud phone conversations
> in public places, or "cell yell," according to 72 percent of the
> Americans polled.
> This world without wires allows technology to ride shotgun throughout
> daily life, which, for the most part, is a convenient and useful
> tool. But it's the lack of a politeness protocol that has some up in
> arms.
> "Cell phones obviously are the big, big thing. People use them
> anywhere and everywhere," Ervin said. "At the movies -- turn off your
> cell phone. I don't want to pay $10 to be sitting next to some guy
> chitchatting to his girlfriend on his cell phone."
> She also cites the growing complaints by her readers and friends of
> cell phone use at events such as church services, funerals or school
> graduations, "and that's just wrong," she said.
> This rudeness has deteriorated public spaces, according to Lew
> Friedland, a communications professor at the University of Wisconsin-
> Madison. He calls the lack of manners a kind of unconscious rudeness,
> as many people are not aware of what they're doing or the others
> around them.
> "I think it's really noticeable in any plane, train or bus where
> you're essentially subjected against your will to someone else's
> conversation," he said. "You can listen to intimate details of their
> uncle's illness, relationship problems with their lovers, their
> breakups and what they're having for dinner.
> "It takes what was a public common space and starts to parcel it out
> and divide it up into small private space."
> On his frequent bus rides from Madison to Milwaukee over the years,
> Friedland said he's watched the arc of cell phone use and rudeness in
> an informal, but telling, experiment. A short time ago, if cell phone
> users were politely asked to talk quietly, they would comply with
> chagrin, he said.
> "Now I'm finding more and more people are essentially treating you
> like it's your problem, like you don't understand that loud cell
> phone use is normal in public."
> But it's not just phones. As Wi-Fi continues to grow in public
> places, the rules of etiquette for use are up for debate.
> "In general, Wi-Fi is terrific ... but what is troublesome is when
> people use it in cafes or coffee shops, and they just camp out there
> forever," Ervin said. "They're doing their taxes there. They'll put
> together three tables so they'll have room to spread out. That's just
> not right.
> "If you go to someplace like that, you stay there 20 minutes and then
> leave. It's not your living room. Public places are not to be
> abused."
> And typing on a BlackBerry or other PDAs to stay connected is fine,
> but just don't use them while talking to someone else, Ervin said.
> "It makes people feel insignificant."
> 'Like swatting mosquitoes'
> But what's the proper etiquette for dealing with cell phone faux pas
> or people who've shunned you for their BlackBerry?
> A low-tech solution is what Ervin calls the "Etiquette Grrls' Icy
> Glare," a shooting daggers-evil eye combo.
> "It reminds people of school librarians and mean teachers," she said.
> "If that doesn't work, turn around and say very quietly, 'Do you
> mind?' I think most people are not going to be mean about it because
> they just don't realize what they're doing."
> As more people reach their boiling points for bad wireless manners,
> Ervin said she believes society will shift toward less tolerance for
> inconsiderate behavior and less reasons for the "Icy Glare."
> "Once the majority of people begin to get annoyed at this sort of
> thing, there are going to be rules in places like at cafes for a 20-
> minute limit for using your computer and that sort of thing."
> Friedland agrees that people have to set the rules but debates
> whether it will ever happen. "You can pass legislation about talking
> on cell phones in public, but it's virtually unenforceable," he said.
> He also said the public has yet to reach its limit for tolerating
> cell phone abuse. He sees people more or less resigned to it.
> "It's like swatting at mosquitoes essentially," he said. "You can get
> one or two, but if there's a swarm of them around you, you just kind
> of give up or get out of the way. I think cell phones' use in public
> spaces is partly having the same kind of effect."
> But Ervin said she has faith that courtesy will prevail over bad
> wireless manners.
> "I don't like to be too cynical," she said. "Maybe I'm wrong, but I
> hope not."
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