[Vision2020] proposed ballfields/sports-complexacrossfromarboretum
g. crabtree
jampot at adelphia.net
Sun Oct 16 07:49:28 PDT 2005
Mr. Deco,
The question I posed was the question I meant. I don't believe that I am quite ready to start being contentious just for the sake of my personnel amusement or for the edification of my list serve buddies. (I can almost hear Hanson snickering from all the way across town.) That will probably come later. In the short term, I was simply trying to point out that the youth of Moscow (16-20 yr. olds) do not really need to have millions of dollars (initial cost & maintenance) worth of ball fields to occupy all the time it is reported that they have on their hands, there are other options. I am skeptical that this is the most effective means of developing "social skills" however these are defined.----- Original Message -----
From: Art Deco
To: Vision 2020
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] proposed ballfields/sports-complexacrossfromarboretum
G. Crabtree wrote to Donovan:
'So what exactly are these "social skills" of which you speak?'
I think the real question is:
'So where exactly are these "social skills" of which you speak?'
Donovan has done a smashingly superb job on Vision 2020 of keeping these "social skills" he claims to have acquired deeply hidden.
Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
deco at moscow.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>; "Julie Crumley" <joodge at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] proposed ballfields/sports-complexacrossfromarboretum
> So what exactly are these " social skills " of which you speak?
>
> g.
>
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>; "Julie Crumley"
> <joodge at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] proposed ball
> fields/sports-complexacrossfromarboretum
>
>
>> g. Crabtree,
>>
>> All work and no play makes Johnny a very boring boy.
>> Not to mention he will not develop social skills. When
>> I was 17-18 I had a full time job, went to high school
>> and was taking classes at the junior college. However,
>> I still needed a place to meet with friends and have a
>> social life. Life should be more than about work or
>> school.
>>
>> Donovan J Arnold
>>
>> --- "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net> wrote:
>>
>>> A suggestion for those poor 16-20 year olds who find
>>> themselves with too
>>> much time on their hands might be to get a JOB. I am
>>> sure they would be
>>> amazed at how the time flew by not to mention the
>>> added benefit of not
>>> having to put the touch on daddy quite as often. Try
>>> it, after all you might
>>> as well get in the swing of now as it will be your
>>> future.
>>> seriously, g crabtree
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Donovan Arnold"
>>> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "Julie Crumley" <joodge at hotmail.com>;
>>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:43 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] proposed ball
>>> fields/sports-complexacrossfromarboretum
>>>
>>>
>>> > Julie,
>>> >
>>> > I did not wish to give the impression that I am
>>> > opposed to athletic fields because not everybody
>>> uses
>>> > them.
>>> >
>>> > I think it is great that we provide children with
>>> > athletic fields. However, I think we place too
>>> much
>>> > emphasis on the few and ignore the many. You do
>>> not
>>> > need an expensive new playing field to enjoy
>>> sports or
>>> > even be athletic. When I was growing up, we played
>>> on
>>> > an old dusty dirt field.
>>> >
>>> > Look at Mt. View Park. When I go on my walks,
>>> rarely
>>> > is that field being utilized, most the time the
>>> > parking lot remains empty and the green fields
>>> bare
>>> > except for a family or two. Least I mention other
>>> > parks in the area that are also not fully used.
>>> >
>>> > Eggan Youth Center on the other hand, is packed
>>> all
>>> > the time, and is only fit for Junior High
>>> Students.
>>> > That state board ramp was a great idea.
>>> >
>>> > We need to update that facility, and build
>>> something
>>> > like it for the older youth, like 16 to 20 years
>>> old
>>> > that can get bored very easily being too old for
>>> the
>>> > youth center and not yet old enough for most adult
>>> > activities.
>>> >
>>> > I would get bored as a High School Student and
>>> between
>>> > the ages of 16-20 in Moscow. I could not enter the
>>> > bars and I did not play sports. Many of my peers
>>> just
>>> > partied and did drugs, or dropped out of school
>>> and
>>> > moved. More than a decade later, we have yet to
>>> > improve on the situation.
>>> >
>>> > I dislike most organized sports because
>>> competition
>>> > and the expensive equipment takes the fun out of
>>> them.
>>> > I think before we build out 226th place to play
>>> soccer
>>> > in a ten mile radius, we ought to give something
>>> to
>>> > the youth that have nothing to do before building
>>> our
>>> > 226th place to play soccer in Moscow.
>>> >
>>> > Take Care,
>>> >
>>> > Donovan J Arnold
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --- Julie Crumley <joodge at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ---------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > So because everyone does not like sports, the ones
>>> > that DO are not provided for? I, personally, do
>>> not
>>> > see why people would oppose (as principle)
>>> building
>>> > new fields for children that provide them with
>>> > something healthy, fun, and safe to do, and keeps
>>> them
>>> > out of trouble. A kid can't vandalize or commit
>>> other
>>> > crimes after school if they have soccer practice.
>>> >
>>> > But I do agree that other options for children
>>> should
>>> > be available. When I was in school, I was
>>> involved
>>> > with many school activites that were NOT athletic
>>> > (student council, senate, etc) and agree that more
>>> of
>>> > those things should be available. We DO have a
>>> youth
>>> > center, perhaps putting more emphasis on it's use
>>> for
>>> > actual YOUTH might be helpful.
>>> >
>>> > JC
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > *****VOTE DAN CARSCALLEN FOR CITY COUNCIL*****
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > COPYRIGHT 2005 JULIE CRUMLEY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
>>> SO
>>> > THERE.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > *~*The real voyage of discovery consists not in
>>> > seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes.*~*
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
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