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[Donovan Arnold]

"Also, why do you and Donovan and Doug and whomever
think that intelligent design has to be classified as 
a science or taught in a science class in order for it
to be important?" --Joe Campbell

As usual Joe, your information is all wrong and badly
researched. I do not believe, nor did I ever state
that intelligent design theory has to be classified as
a science or taught.

But why should I be surprised that you would get all
your research and information incorrect, Professor? 

I believe in evolution, as is taught by the Catholic
Church.
 

Thanks for the laughs,

Donovan J Arnold



--- Joseph Campbell <josephc at wsu.edu> wrote:

> You are totally missing the point on this, Pat.
> 
> President White DID NOT say that there could not be
> an open discussion on
> the evolution/intelligent design debate in UI
> classrooms. He didn't even
> restrict such debate to classes other than science
> classes. He merely said
> that intelligent design cannot be TAUGHT in UI
> science classrooms AS A
> SCIENCE because he (apparently) thinks that it is
> NOT A SCIENCE. This is a
> judgment that White has made and I think it is a
> very good one, for
> intelligent design smuggles in propositions that
> proponents of the thesis
> are unwilling to reject, independent of empirical
> evidence to the contrary
> (e.g., that the universe was created by an
> intelligent being).
> 
> There is room -- given White's decision -- to talk
> about intelligent design
> in other classes. There is also room to talk about
> issues surrounding the
> evolution/intelligent design debate even in science
> classes -- if the
> instructor so wishes. What one cannot do is pass off
> intelligent design as a
> science because, according to White, it is not a
> SCIENCE.
> 
> So if there are any criticisms of White they should
> start with reasons for
> thinking that the thesis of intelligent design is a
> SCIENTIFIC THESIS, as
> opposed to a religious or philosophical thesis. As a
> person that teaches
> Philosophy of Science, I know that determining what
> is and what is not a
> scientific thesis is a tricky matter, indeed.
> 
> Thus, I'm interested to know, why do you and Donovan
> and Doug and whomever
> think that intelligent design IS a scientific
> thesis? What distinguishes
> such theses from non-scientific theses? Also, why do
> you and Donovan and
> Doug and whomever think that intelligent design has
> to be classified as a
> science or taught in a science class in order for it
> to be important? As a
> philosopher, I certainly believe that there is a lot
> of important stuff
> worth discussion and contemplation that is not and
> should not be taught in
> science classes. 
> 
> Joe Campbell
> 
> Pat wrote:
> 
> > So, you believe that all those parents who want an
> open discussion on
> > evolution and intelligent design are too stupid to
> truly understand the
> > issue?? They are only going by what their
> religious leaders tell them and
> > they are not sophisticated or well read enough to
> KNOW what to believe.
> > Its just good to see you actually acknowledge that
> Tom.
> 
>
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