[Vision2020] Re: Not a city resident (Donovan Arnold)

[Donovan Arnold]

Mr Hansen,

I and only about 20 other people were the only ones on
UI campus in March of 2003 protesting the illegal
invasion of another country, back when only 23% of the
nation opposed it. 2 and 1/2 year later they are now
protesting in droves. 

Most people now do oppose Bush, his war, and most
policies because the truth is poking out.

Donovan J Arnold


--- Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

> Arnold stated:
> 
> "The United States does not have the ethical right
> to establish the
> religious, governmental, and the economic structures
> of another country."
> 
> Then you are in agreement that President Bush has
> absolutely no right in the
> use of our military forces for the purposes of
> forcing democracy on the
> people of Iraq?  If so, we (and I thought that I
> would never say this) are
> in agreement.
> 
> Hey, Sunil!  You listening to this?
> 
> Tom Hansen
> 
> "If not us, who?
> If not now, when?"
> 
> - Unknown
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 5:35 PM
> To: Warren Hayman; josephc at mail.wsu.edu
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Not a city resident
> (Donovan Arnold)
> 
> Mr. Joe,
> 
> Had you bothered to read my previous 800 emails on
> this subject with Ted, you would have seen that I
> had
> said I fully supported each person's right to
> freedom
> of speech.
> 
> So I will clarify my statement for the professor;
> 
> "If the parent does not live in the city, the parent
> does not have a LEGAL say in how the city operates
> insofar as the city is legally operating within the
> confines of the country, state, and federal law."
> 
> I do not want people outside Moscow determining city
> code. That is the way the law is now, and that is
> the
> way I like it.
> 
> You wrote,  "Doesn't it follow that no one has a
> right
> to criticize a jurisdiction unless they live in that
> jurisdiction?"
> 
> Everyone has a right to criticize New Orleans
> government Joe. But you do no have a right to vote
> for
> city policy or to vote for those that establish it,
> unless you become a resident of that city. Nor
> should
> you be going to city council meetings and saying
> that
> you are a concerned citizen of the community
> demanding
> changes to the city code and personally attacking
> local leaders because they take an opposite view
> from
> you, a non-resident. That is dishonest. 
> 
> "As Mr. Donovan has pointed out, most public schools
> fall under the jurisdiction of the state. Unless we
> live in that state, we can't be critical of its
> schools."
> 
> You seem to confuse the terms, "be critical", with
> the
> term "the right to participate". Joe, they are not
> synonyms. They might mean the same to you, but not
> to
> people that participate. 
> 
> Second, I am not a conservative. I vomit when the
> federal leaders of this nation speak and implement
> their policies. You, and several other far leftists
> in
> this town seem to believe that people are either in
> agreement with you far lefts liberal elitists or in
> agreement with Doug Wilson and George Bush. A quick
> reality political reality check will show that most
> people fall somewhere in the vast spectrum of
> political belief just as far from you as from Doug
> Wilson. 
> 
> Finally, Mr. Haymen also confuses criticize with
> participate.
> 
> "You perhaps left something out of your response.
> Only
> if one voted on a federal level could one criticize
> thusly. And, of course, avoid other countries
> altogether."
> 
> The United States does not have the ethical right to
> establish the religious, governmental, and the
> economic structures of another country. We do have
> the
> right to criticize them.
> 
> Take Care,
> 
> Donovan J Arnold 
> 
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> Mr. Arnold says, "if the parent does not live in the
> city, the parent 
> does
> not have a say in how the city operates and
> functions."
> 
> Doesn't it follow that no one has a right to
> criticize
> a jurisdiction
> unless they live in that jurisdiction? Thus, anyone
> from Moscow
> criticizing the city of New Orleans or the state of
> Louisiana for the 
> way
> that they handled things after Katrina was wrong to
> do
> so. It is fine 
> to
> criticize the federal government but we can't
> criticize New Orleans or
> Louisiana since none of us live there.
> 
> And it would seem that neither Doug Wilson nor
> anyone
> else has the 
> right
> to criticize public schools in general. As Mr.
> Donovan
> has pointed out,
> most public schools fall under the jurisdiction of
> the
> state. Unless we
> live in that state, we can't be critical of its
> schools.
> 
> So where were you, Mr. Arnold, when your
> conservative
> friends were 
> voicing
> their opinions about topics over which, according to
> your principles, 
> they
> had no right to speak?
> 
> For the record, I live in Moscow and I am happy to
> have Rose and Joan 
> and
> Melynda share their opinions about the town. And not
> just because I 
> tend
> to agree with them. What we need is more discourse
> about Moscow, not 
> less
> of it. We should be grateful to get any feedback
> that
> we get, whether 
> we
> agree with it or not.
> 
> One more thing, Mr. Arnold. Could you please tell me
> where I might find
> the footnotes to the First Amendment, the ones
> detailing the 
> restrictions
> to free speech and criticism of governmental
> agencies
> that you 
> articulate
> 
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