[Vision2020] LOWES
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Tue Nov 15 22:50:35 PST 2005
I would like the discussion to start now about
Moscow's reaction to the way too many java and coffee
shops keep popping up in town, rather than waste our
time on whether or not someone got 3% of the vote for
city council and does not understand the importance of
who gets a vote and when and how that impacts decision
making.
1. If this development continues, how do they get
their sewage access? Does Moscow supply this, and
what in return does Moscow receive?
2. What does this development of strictly coffee and
java shops do to our downtown business area?
3. What effect does this have on us?
4. Can Moscow sustain as much space as has been
proposed? 500 Java shops and possibly more? Do we
need to seriously look for another employer (100-200+)
in this town to sustain this space for java?
These are just a few questions that we should begin to
ask ourselves, and as citizens, let our input on the
matter be known. We don't need another java shop on
our hands, especially when it comes to something more
useful Moscow can spend their money on. Why are we so
reactive to issues, let's be proactive, and use this
forum (it is called vision2020) to our benefit. I may
only be 30, and I def. don't have all of the correct
answers, and haven’t asked all of the pertinent
questions that need asked, but I have a "vision" of
what this town may be, and with this forum, maybe we
can accomplish something.
We need an emergency moratorium on java shops.
Donovan J Arnold
Capitalist
--- Tim Reichstein <t_reichstein at hotmail.com> wrote:
---------------------------------
I would like the discussion to start now about
Moscow's reaction to the proposed
http://www.hawkinscompanies.com/fliers/WA_Pullman_Hwy270_AirportRd_F.pdf
LOWE's strip mall development that is being planned on
our border. Rather than waste our breath on whether
or not someone should take office now, or in 6 weeks,
lets become prepared for what may happen to our town
in the next 2-3-10 years.
1. If this development continues, how do they get
their sewage access. Does Moscow supply this, and
what in return does Moscow recieve.
2. What does this development do to our downtown
business area?
3. Will this pull tax dollars from moscow and latah
county? What effect does this have on us?
4. Can Moscow-Pullman sustain as much retail space as
has been proposed: inc. 2 Wal-Marts, Lowes, possibly
a Best Buy, costco, ? Do we need to seriously look
for another employer (100-200+) in this town to
sustain this retail space?
These are just a few questions that we should begin to
ask ourselves, and as citizens, let our input on the
matter be known. We don't need another ballfields on
our hand, especially when it comes to something that
can pull alot of tax revenues from Moscow, Latah
county and Idaho, that a large development like this
could. Why are we so reactive to issues, let's be
proactive, and use this forum (it is called
vision2020) to our benefit. I may only be 23, and I
def. don't have all of the correct answers, and havent
asked all of the pertinent questions that need asked,
but I have a "vision" of what this town may be, and
with this forum, maybe we can accomplish something.
When Highway 95 goes west around town, this
development Will be the center of all economic
activity for the area. Palouse mall, downtown, all
become less pertinent. Thank you for your time.
Tim Reichstein
Senior UofI, Business Finance
Co-Owner Moxie Java
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:58:46 -0800 (PST)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:11:10 -0800 (PST)
>From: Tom Ivie <the_ivies3 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] City council
elections-immediate appt. of
> Mr. Ament
>To: pcook818 at adelphia.net, vision2020 at moscow.com
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>It is my understanding that this is an "informal
guideline" which is a couple steps removed from an
official Attorney General Opinion. It is interesting
reading, but provides no absolute determination.
There doesn't appear to be an absolute determination
because the case law used in this argument is for a
County Judge position and is quite different, as is
the separation of powers, from a legislative
appointment. The two positions are also bound by
completely different Idaho Statutes (T. 50 for City
and T. 59 for County). A quick look in the Pacific
Digest for this exact circumstance only refers one to
the Decennial Digest which refers to a 1993 Rhode
Island case, not quite Idaho (Anderson v. Sundlun, 625
A.2d 213). It basically says that an appointed
official serves until the qualification of a
successor. Qualification in this case would be the
certification of the election which happened at 4:00pm
last Wednesday. Does that apply here? I don't know.
Will we ever know?!
> I would
> think that the Mayor and his legal staff are
looking into it with diligence to determine what to do
and will let all of us know when they figure it out.
We should be patient and give them some credit as some
of these things aren't easy to answer. I did,
however, like the argument that someone posted (maybe
Wayne?) which stated that T. 50-702 says..."except as
otherwise specifically provided"...which would be T.
50-704 which states..."such vacancy shall be filled
for the balance of the original term."
>
>p.s. Phil, that was some good research on your part.
I only found where you can search for Opinions online.
I had to look at the actual hard copy of the Annual
Report to find what you posted. Can you tell me where
you found it? -Tom
>
>Philip Cook <pcook818 at adelphia.net> wrote:
>The following is from the Idaho Attorney General's
Annual Report, 1987.
>
>Philip Cook
>
>*******Quoted material follows*******
>
>September 25, 1987
>
>James B. Weatherby
>Executive Director
>Association of Idaho Cities
>3314 Grace Street
>Boise, ID 83703
>
>THIS CORRESPONDENCE IS A LEGAL GUIDELINE OF THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL SUBMITTED FOR YOUR GUIDANCE
>
>Re: City Council Vacancies
>
>Dear Jim:
>
>In your letter of August 26, 1987, you ask several
questions concerning successors in office to council
members appointed to fill a vacancy. Specifically, you
ask at what point is a successor elected and qualified
to assume a council office when the person appointed
to fill a vacancy either is defeated in the election
or declines to seek election. You further ask that the
answer be provided as it relates to a term which still
has two years to run and to a term which expires and
election is for a regular term.
>
>Idaho Code § 50-704 provides the manner in which a
vacancy to the city council is filled:
>
>A vacancy on the council shall be filled by
appointment made by the mayor with the consent of the
council, which appointee shall serve only until the
next general city election, at which such vacancy
shall be filled for the balance of the original term.
>
>Idaho Code § 50-702 provides for the point at which
councilmen elected take office:
>“Councilmen elected at each general city election
shall be installed at the first meeting in January
following election.â€
>
>The general rule governing taking office upon
election to fill an unexpired term is that the person
who wins the election takes the office immediately
upon election and qualification; generally within a
reasonable time after the election. 67 C.J.S.
Officers, § 79. However, where a statute provides
otherwise, the person elected to fill an unexpired
term takes office at the time prescribed in the
statute. Id. White v. Young, 88 Idaho 188, 397 P.2d
756 (1964).
>
>Reading §§ 50-702 and 50-704 together, it is clear
that in Idaho the statutes provide a single, direct
answer to the various scenarios posed in your
question. Thus, a person elected to fill an unexpired
term as provided by § 50-704 would assume office on
the first meeting of the council in January following
the election. The same would hold true for the person
elected for a full term which commences in January
following the election. That person also would not
take office until the first meeting in January
following the election.
>
>Each of these conclusions is consistent with the
holding in White v. Young, supra, where the Idaho
Supreme Court held that a county officer will take
office at the time designated by statute.
>
>If our office can be of further assistance, please
call.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>DANIEL G. CHADWICK
>Chief, Intergovernmental Affairs Division
>
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>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:48:47 -0800
>From: Stephen Cooke <scooke at uidaho.edu>
>Subject: [Vision2020] county performance analysis
>To: Vision2020 Listserver List
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>FYI
>Steve Cooke
>hi--
>
>amy glasmeier of penn state's geography department
has put together a
>website that applies analytical tools to a number of
economic development
>indicators for all counties in the US. you just
select the state and county
>and hit submit. it generates a series of charts,
graphs, tables, etc. it
>also tells you how to interpret the results.
specifically, it contains:
>A snapshot of the important local economic indicators
>Examination of historical performance and the trends
for these indicators in
>order to determine current direction.
>Location quotients to identify local strengths and
opportunities.
>Shift-share analysis to help identify local growth
engines.
>A pointer to living-wage estimations for the region
according to various
>family sizes.
>The type of industries that pay living wages in your
area.
>it is here:
>
>http://www.economictoolbox.geog.psu.edu/
>
>i think this is really cool. if you find it useful,
let amy (akg1 at psu.edu)
>know (or me, and i will pass that on to her).
>
>
>Martin Shields
>
>Director, Center for Economic and Community
Development
>Associate Professor of Agricultural and Regional
Economics
>Dept of Agricultural Economics and Rural Sociology
>The Pennsylvania State University
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:06:37 -0800
>From: "Jennifer McFarland" <jmcfarland at latah.id.us>
>Subject: [Vision2020] November 1-7 Hot Sheet
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "'Anderson'"
<janderson at latah.id.us>,
> "'Aston'" <jaston at latah.id.us>, "'Baker'"
<gbaker at latah.id.us>,
> "'Borger'" <lborger at latah.id.us>, "'Bunney'"
<rbunney at latah.id.us>,
> "'Carpenter'" <dcarpenter at latah.id.us>, "'Chief'"
> <bstrampher at latah.id.us>, "'Coleman'"
<vcoleman at latah.id.us>,
> "'Cork'" <tcork at latah.id.us>, "'Cpl. Besst'"
<tbesst at latah.id.us>,
> "'Cpl. Johnson'" <djohnson at latah.id.us>, "'Cpl.
King'"
> <dking at latah.id.us>, "'Cpl. Manell'"
<rmanell at latah.id.us>, "'Cpl.
> Mikolajczyk'" <smikolajczyk at latah.id.us>, "'Cpl.
Peterson'"
> <bpeterson at latah.id.us>, "'Det. Lehmbecker'"
> <mlehmbecker at latah.id.us>, "'Fork'"
<afork at latah.id.us>, "'Hazel'"
> <jhazel at latah.id.us>, "'Heckert'"
<rheckert at latah.id.us>, "'Johnson'"
> <kjohnson at latah.id.us>, "'Larson'"
<jlarson at latah.id.us>, "'Law'"
> <claw at latah.id.us>, "'Lt. Loyd'"
<jloyd at latah.id.us>, "'Luther'"
> <sluther at latah.id.us>, "'Moran'"
<hmoran at latah.id.us>, "'Musgrave'"
> <mmusgrave at latah.id.us>, "'Neelon'"
<mneelon at latah.id.us>,
> "'Ockunzzi'" <jockunzzi at latah.id.us>, "'Ogden'"
<eogden at latah.id.us>,
> "'O'Toole'" <rotoole at latah.id.us>, "'Pannell'"
<gpannell at latah.id.us>,
> "'Pierson'" <npierson at latah.id.us>, "'Prosecutor'"
<pa at latah.id.us>,
> "'Ragan'" <tragan at latah.id.us>, "'Russell'"
<mrussell at latah.id.us>,
> "'Sgt. Anderson'" <danderson at latah.id.us>, "'Sgt.
Aston'"
> <easton at latah.id.us>, "'Sgt. Gray'"
<pgray at latah.id.us>, "'Sgt.
> Jordan'" <bjordan at latah.id.us>, "'Sgt. Stinebaugh'"
> <mstinebaugh at latah.id.us>, "'Sgt. Wilson'"
<kwilson at latah.id.us>,
> "'Sheriff'" <wrausch at latah.id.us>, "'Sillers'"
<rsillers at latah.id.us>,
> "'Skiles'" <rskiles at latah.id.us>, "'Storrs'"
<sstorrs at latah.id.us>,
> "'Strampher'" <jstrampher at latah.id.us>, "'Tanya'"
> <tfaley at latah.id.us>, "'Vietmeier'"
<rvietmeier at latah.id.us>,
> "'Waters'" <jwaters at latah.id.us>, "'Weaver'"
<rweaver at latah.id.us>
>Message-ID:
<000001c5ea39$3b792e00$7964000a at latah.id.us>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>All:
>
>Visit the following link to view the newest Hot Sheet
(November 1-7, 2005):
>
>http://www.latah.id.us/Dept/Sheriff_HotSheets.htm
>
>PIO Jennifer L. McFarland
>Latah County Sheriff's Office
>Public Information Officer
>PO Box 8068
>Moscow, Idaho 83843
>(208) 882-2216
>Fax (208) 883-2281
>
>Truth is the summit of being; justice is the
application of it to affairs.
>***Ralph Waldo Emerson
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 4
>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:39:18 -0800
>From: Joan Opyr <joanopyr at earthlink.net>
>Subject: [Vision2020] Zones of one sort or another
>To: Vision2020 Moscow <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Message-ID:
<09F515DC-5631-11DA-9326-000D935F0508 at earthlink.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Dear Visionaries:
>
>Phil Nisbet notes that a number of sex crime statutes
are still on the
>books in Idaho, and he asks: "So all the folks who
are screaming for
>uniform enforcement, are you ready to see any of
[these sex crime
>statutes] enforced here in Moscow?"
>
>Here's what I wonder: what, exactly, is the
connection between zoning
>laws and sex crime laws? Why is this analogy being
made? From the
>very beginning, Doug Wilson has asserted that this
whole NSA business
>was not about zoning but about promoting "the
homosexual agenda."
>Really? That's news to me, and, technically, I think
I'm part of the
>homosexual agenda. Did I miss a memo from the Gay
Politburo or has
>Doug somehow confused Moscow's Central Business
District zone with what
>might euphemistically be called the old "end zone?"
If so, then I
>shudder to think what he means by "occupancy permit."
>
>Just for the record, both the front and back doors of
Moscow's gay
>community are shut to you, Doug Wilson. In the words
of Little
>Richard, "You keep a' knockin' but you cain't come
in! Whooo!"
>
>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>www.joanopyr.com
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>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:58:35 -0800 (PST)
>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] City council
elections-immediate appt. of
> Mr. Ament
>To: pcook818 at adelphia.net, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Message-ID:
<20051115235836.16121.qmail at web30802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>I guess that settels the matter, unless there have
>been other rulings since that correspondence in 1987.
>Ament cannot take office until January of 2006.
>
>I think the state needs to amend the statue § 50-704
>so it is consistent with the language in statue §
>50-702.
>
>When a federal or state elected official is elected
to
>fill a vacancy, the candidate takes office before the
>other candidates elected to a full term. Why that
>cannot be the case in the city elections, I have no
>idea. There is no logic behind that reasoning if a
>democratic government is the intent.
>
>Take Care,
>
>Donovan J Arnold
>
>
>
>--- Philip Cook <pcook818 at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> > The following is from the Idaho Attorney General's
> > Annual Report, 1987.
> >
> > Philip Cook
> >
> > *******Quoted material follows*******
> >
> > September 25, 1987
> >
> > James B. Weatherby
> > Executive Director
> > Association of Idaho Cities
> > 3314 Grace Street
> > Boise, ID 83703
> >
> > THIS CORRESPONDENCE IS A LEGAL GUIDELINE OF THE
> > ATTORNEY GENERAL SUBMITTED FOR YOUR GUIDANCE
> >
> > Re: City Council Vacancies
> >
> > Dear Jim:
> >
> > In your letter of August 26, 1987, you ask several
> > questions concerning successors in office to
council
> > members appointed to fill a vacancy. Specifically,
> > you ask at what point is a successor elected and
> > qualified to assume a council office when the
person
> > appointed to fill a vacancy either is defeated in
> > the election or declines to seek election. You
> > further ask that the answer be provided as it
> > relates to a term which still has two years to run
> > and to a term which expires and election is for a
> > regular term.
> >
> > Idaho Code § 50-704 provides the manner in which
a
> > vacancy to the city council is filled:
> >
> > A vacancy on the council shall be filled by
> > appointment made by the mayor with the consent of
> > the council, which appointee shall serve only
until
> > the next general city election, at which such
> > vacancy shall be filled for the balance of the
> > original term.
> >
> > Idaho Code § 50-702 provides for the point at
which
> > councilmen elected take office:
> > “Councilmen elected at each general city
election
> > shall be installed at the first meeting in January
> > following election.â€
> >
> > The general rule governing taking office upon
> > election to fill an unexpired term is that the
> > person who wins the election takes the office
> > immediately upon election and qualification;
> > generally within a reasonable time after the
> > election. 67 C.J.S. Officers, § 79. However,
where
> > a statute provides otherwise, the person elected
to
> > fill an unexpired term takes office at the time
> > prescribed in the statute. Id. White v. Young, 88
> > Idaho 188, 397 P.2d 756 (1964).
> >
> > Reading §§ 50-702 and 50-704 together, it is
clear
> > that in Idaho the statutes provide a single,
direct
> > answer to the various scenarios posed in your
> > question. Thus, a person elected to fill an
> > unexpired term as provided by § 50-704 would
assume
> > office on the first meeting of the council in
> > January following the election. The same would
hold
> > true for the person elected for a full term which
> > commences in January following the election. That
> > person also would not take office until the first
> > meeting in January following the election.
> >
> > Each of these conclusions is consistent with the
> > holding in White v. Young, supra, where the Idaho
> > Supreme Court held that a county officer will take
> > office at the time designated by statute.
> >
> > If our office can be of further assistance, please
> > call.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > DANIEL G. CHADWICK
> > Chief, Intergovernmental Affairs Division
> >
> > ******End quoted material ********
> >
> >
> >
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