[Vision2020] LOWES
Pat Kraut
pkraut at moscow.com
Tue Nov 15 21:08:35 PST 2005
It seems to me that the more some of us try to control the growth of Moscow the more they mess it up and we wind up with no control. Washington will allow this new strip mall and for proof look to the rezone of the corridor from here to Pullman. It is exactly what they have in mind and since we won't allow any box stores in Moscow they will go where they can. They are in business to grow and that means working to go to new areas. Control is working with people and not just throwing up more roadblocks so that people have to work around them. Instead of working within the guidelines we would like to have set up and the growth patterns we want. If we keep thinking like this we aren't going to have a city business district at all. And from our recent election it looks like thats where we are going.
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From: Tim Reichstein
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:07 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] LOWES
I would like the discussion to start now about Moscow's reaction to the proposed http://www.hawkinscompanies.com/fliers/WA_Pullman_Hwy270_AirportRd_F.pdf LOWE's strip mall development that is being planned on our border. Rather than waste our breath on whether or not someone should take office now, or in 6 weeks, lets become prepared for what may happen to our town in the next 2-3-10 years.
1. If this development continues, how do they get their sewage access. Does Moscow supply this, and what in return does Moscow recieve.
2. What does this development do to our downtown business area?
3. Will this pull tax dollars from moscow and latah county? What effect does this have on us?
4. Can Moscow-Pullman sustain as much retail space as has been proposed: inc. 2 Wal-Marts, Lowes, possibly a Best Buy, costco, ? Do we need to seriously look for another employer (100-200+) in this town to sustain this retail space?
These are just a few questions that we should begin to ask ourselves, and as citizens, let our input on the matter be known. We don't need another ballfields on our hand, especially when it comes to something that can pull alot of tax revenues from Moscow, Latah county and Idaho, that a large development like this could. Why are we so reactive to issues, let's be proactive, and use this forum (it is called vision2020) to our benefit. I may only be 23, and I def. don't have all of the correct answers, and havent asked all of the pertinent questions that need asked, but I have a "vision" of what this town may be, and with this forum, maybe we can accomplish something.
When Highway 95 goes west around town, this development Will be the center of all economic activity for the area. Palouse mall, downtown, all become less pertinent. Thank you for your time.
Tim Reichstein
Senior UofI, Business Finance
Co-Owner Moxie Java
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>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:11:10 -0800 (PST)
>From: Tom Ivie <the_ivies3 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] City council elections-immediate appt. of
> Mr. Ament
>To: pcook818 at adelphia.net, vision2020 at moscow.com
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>It is my understanding that this is an "informal guideline" which is a couple steps removed from an official Attorney General Opinion. It is interesting reading, but provides no absolute determination. There doesn't appear to be an absolute determination because the case law used in this argument is for a County Judge position and is quite different, as is the separation of powers, from a legislative appointment. The two positions are also bound by completely different Idaho Statutes (T. 50 for City and T. 59 for County). A quick look in the Pacific Digest for this exact circumstance only refers one to the Decennial Digest which refers to a 1993 Rhode Island case, not quite Idaho (Anderson v. Sundlun, 625 A.2d 213). It basically says that an appointed official serves until the qualification of a successor. Qualification in this case would be the certification of the election which happened at 4:00pm last Wednesday. Does that apply here? I don't know. Will we ever know?!
> I would
> think that the Mayor and his legal staff are looking into it with diligence to determine what to do and will let all of us know when they figure it out. We should be patient and give them some credit as some of these things aren't easy to answer. I did, however, like the argument that someone posted (maybe Wayne?) which stated that T. 50-702 says..."except as otherwise specifically provided"...which would be T. 50-704 which states..."such vacancy shall be filled for the balance of the original term."
>
>p.s. Phil, that was some good research on your part. I only found where you can search for Opinions online. I had to look at the actual hard copy of the Annual Report to find what you posted. Can you tell me where you found it? -Tom
>
>Philip Cook <pcook818 at adelphia.net> wrote:
>The following is from the Idaho Attorney General's Annual Report, 1987.
>
>Philip Cook
>
>*******Quoted material follows*******
>
>September 25, 1987
>
>James B. Weatherby
>Executive Director
>Association of Idaho Cities
>3314 Grace Street
>Boise, ID 83703
>
>THIS CORRESPONDENCE IS A LEGAL GUIDELINE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SUBMITTED FOR YOUR GUIDANCE
>
>Re: City Council Vacancies
>
>Dear Jim:
>
>In your letter of August 26, 1987, you ask several questions concerning successors in office to council members appointed to fill a vacancy. Specifically, you ask at what point is a successor elected and qualified to assume a council office when the person appointed to fill a vacancy either is defeated in the election or declines to seek election. You further ask that the answer be provided as it relates to a term which still has two years to run and to a term which expires and election is for a regular term.
>
>Idaho Code § 50-704 provides the manner in which a vacancy to the city council is filled:
>
>A vacancy on the council shall be filled by appointment made by the mayor with the consent of the council, which appointee shall serve only until the next general city election, at which such vacancy shall be filled for the balance of the original term.
>
>Idaho Code § 50-702 provides for the point at which councilmen elected take office:
>â?oCouncilmen elected at each general city election shall be installed at the first meeting in January following election.â?
>
>The general rule governing taking office upon election to fill an unexpired term is that the person who wins the election takes the office immediately upon election and qualification; generally within a reasonable time after the election. 67 C.J.S. Officers, § 79. However, where a statute provides otherwise, the person elected to fill an unexpired term takes office at the time prescribed in the statute. Id. White v. Young, 88 Idaho 188, 397 P.2d 756 (1964).
>
>Reading §§ 50-702 and 50-704 together, it is clear that in Idaho the statutes provide a single, direct answer to the various scenarios posed in your question. Thus, a person elected to fill an unexpired term as provided by § 50-704 would assume office on the first meeting of the council in January following the election. The same would hold true for the person elected for a full term which commences in January following the election. That person also would not take office until the first meeting in January following the election.
>
>Each of these conclusions is consistent with the holding in White v. Young, supra, where the Idaho Supreme Court held that a county officer will take office at the time designated by statute.
>
>If our office can be of further assistance, please call.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>DANIEL G. CHADWICK
>Chief, Intergovernmental Affairs Division
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:48:47 -0800
>From: Stephen Cooke <scooke at uidaho.edu>
>Subject: [Vision2020] county performance analysis
>To: Vision2020 Listserver List <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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>FYI
>Steve Cooke
>hi--
>
>amy glasmeier of penn state's geography department has put together a
>website that applies analytical tools to a number of economic development
>indicators for all counties in the US. you just select the state and county
>and hit submit. it generates a series of charts, graphs, tables, etc. it
>also tells you how to interpret the results. specifically, it contains:
>A snapshot of the important local economic indicators
>Examination of historical performance and the trends for these indicators in
>order to determine current direction.
>Location quotients to identify local strengths and opportunities.
>Shift-share analysis to help identify local growth engines.
>A pointer to living-wage estimations for the region according to various
>family sizes.
>The type of industries that pay living wages in your area.
>it is here:
>
>http://www.economictoolbox.geog.psu.edu/
>
>i think this is really cool. if you find it useful, let amy (akg1 at psu.edu)
>know (or me, and i will pass that on to her).
>
>
>Martin Shields
>
>Director, Center for Economic and Community Development
>Associate Professor of Agricultural and Regional Economics
>Dept of Agricultural Economics and Rural Sociology
>The Pennsylvania State University
>
>
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:06:37 -0800
>From: "Jennifer McFarland" <jmcfarland at latah.id.us>
>Subject: [Vision2020] November 1-7 Hot Sheet
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>, "'Anderson'" <janderson at latah.id.us>,
> "'Aston'" <jaston at latah.id.us>, "'Baker'" <gbaker at latah.id.us>,
> "'Borger'" <lborger at latah.id.us>, "'Bunney'" <rbunney at latah.id.us>,
> "'Carpenter'" <dcarpenter at latah.id.us>, "'Chief'"
> <bstrampher at latah.id.us>, "'Coleman'" <vcoleman at latah.id.us>,
> "'Cork'" <tcork at latah.id.us>, "'Cpl. Besst'" <tbesst at latah.id.us>,
> "'Cpl. Johnson'" <djohnson at latah.id.us>, "'Cpl. King'"
> <dking at latah.id.us>, "'Cpl. Manell'" <rmanell at latah.id.us>, "'Cpl.
> Mikolajczyk'" <smikolajczyk at latah.id.us>, "'Cpl. Peterson'"
> <bpeterson at latah.id.us>, "'Det. Lehmbecker'"
> <mlehmbecker at latah.id.us>, "'Fork'" <afork at latah.id.us>, "'Hazel'"
> <jhazel at latah.id.us>, "'Heckert'" <rheckert at latah.id.us>, "'Johnson'"
> <kjohnson at latah.id.us>, "'Larson'" <jlarson at latah.id.us>, "'Law'"
> <claw at latah.id.us>, "'Lt. Loyd'" <jloyd at latah.id.us>, "'Luther'"
> <sluther at latah.id.us>, "'Moran'" <hmoran at latah.id.us>, "'Musgrave'"
> <mmusgrave at latah.id.us>, "'Neelon'" <mneelon at latah.id.us>,
> "'Ockunzzi'" <jockunzzi at latah.id.us>, "'Ogden'" <eogden at latah.id.us>,
> "'O'Toole'" <rotoole at latah.id.us>, "'Pannell'" <gpannell at latah.id.us>,
> "'Pierson'" <npierson at latah.id.us>, "'Prosecutor'" <pa at latah.id.us>,
> "'Ragan'" <tragan at latah.id.us>, "'Russell'" <mrussell at latah.id.us>,
> "'Sgt. Anderson'" <danderson at latah.id.us>, "'Sgt. Aston'"
> <easton at latah.id.us>, "'Sgt. Gray'" <pgray at latah.id.us>, "'Sgt.
> Jordan'" <bjordan at latah.id.us>, "'Sgt. Stinebaugh'"
> <mstinebaugh at latah.id.us>, "'Sgt. Wilson'" <kwilson at latah.id.us>,
> "'Sheriff'" <wrausch at latah.id.us>, "'Sillers'" <rsillers at latah.id.us>,
> "'Skiles'" <rskiles at latah.id.us>, "'Storrs'" <sstorrs at latah.id.us>,
> "'Strampher'" <jstrampher at latah.id.us>, "'Tanya'"
> <tfaley at latah.id.us>, "'Vietmeier'" <rvietmeier at latah.id.us>,
> "'Waters'" <jwaters at latah.id.us>, "'Weaver'" <rweaver at latah.id.us>
>Message-ID: <000001c5ea39$3b792e00$7964000a at latah.id.us>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>All:
>
>Visit the following link to view the newest Hot Sheet (November 1-7, 2005):
>
>http://www.latah.id.us/Dept/Sheriff_HotSheets.htm
>
>PIO Jennifer L. McFarland
>Latah County Sheriff's Office
>Public Information Officer
>PO Box 8068
>Moscow, Idaho 83843
>(208) 882-2216
>Fax (208) 883-2281
>
>Truth is the summit of being; justice is the application of it to affairs.
>***Ralph Waldo Emerson
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:39:18 -0800
>From: Joan Opyr <joanopyr at earthlink.net>
>Subject: [Vision2020] Zones of one sort or another
>To: Vision2020 Moscow <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Message-ID: <09F515DC-5631-11DA-9326-000D935F0508 at earthlink.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>Dear Visionaries:
>
>Phil Nisbet notes that a number of sex crime statutes are still on the
>books in Idaho, and he asks: "So all the folks who are screaming for
>uniform enforcement, are you ready to see any of [these sex crime
>statutes] enforced here in Moscow?"
>
>Here's what I wonder: what, exactly, is the connection between zoning
>laws and sex crime laws? Why is this analogy being made? From the
>very beginning, Doug Wilson has asserted that this whole NSA business
>was not about zoning but about promoting "the homosexual agenda."
>Really? That's news to me, and, technically, I think I'm part of the
>homosexual agenda. Did I miss a memo from the Gay Politburo or has
>Doug somehow confused Moscow's Central Business District zone with what
>might euphemistically be called the old "end zone?" If so, then I
>shudder to think what he means by "occupancy permit."
>
>Just for the record, both the front and back doors of Moscow's gay
>community are shut to you, Doug Wilson. In the words of Little
>Richard, "You keep a' knockin' but you cain't come in! Whooo!"
>
>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>www.joanopyr.com
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>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:58:35 -0800 (PST)
>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] City council elections-immediate appt. of
> Mr. Ament
>To: pcook818 at adelphia.net, vision2020 at moscow.com
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>I guess that settels the matter, unless there have
>been other rulings since that correspondence in 1987.
>Ament cannot take office until January of 2006.
>
>I think the state needs to amend the statue § 50-704
>so it is consistent with the language in statue §
>50-702.
>
>When a federal or state elected official is elected to
>fill a vacancy, the candidate takes office before the
>other candidates elected to a full term. Why that
>cannot be the case in the city elections, I have no
>idea. There is no logic behind that reasoning if a
>democratic government is the intent.
>
>Take Care,
>
>Donovan J Arnold
>
>
>
>--- Philip Cook <pcook818 at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> > The following is from the Idaho Attorney General's
> > Annual Report, 1987.
> >
> > Philip Cook
> >
> > *******Quoted material follows*******
> >
> > September 25, 1987
> >
> > James B. Weatherby
> > Executive Director
> > Association of Idaho Cities
> > 3314 Grace Street
> > Boise, ID 83703
> >
> > THIS CORRESPONDENCE IS A LEGAL GUIDELINE OF THE
> > ATTORNEY GENERAL SUBMITTED FOR YOUR GUIDANCE
> >
> > Re: City Council Vacancies
> >
> > Dear Jim:
> >
> > In your letter of August 26, 1987, you ask several
> > questions concerning successors in office to council
> > members appointed to fill a vacancy. Specifically,
> > you ask at what point is a successor elected and
> > qualified to assume a council office when the person
> > appointed to fill a vacancy either is defeated in
> > the election or declines to seek election. You
> > further ask that the answer be provided as it
> > relates to a term which still has two years to run
> > and to a term which expires and election is for a
> > regular term.
> >
> > Idaho Code § 50-704 provides the manner in which a
> > vacancy to the city council is filled:
> >
> > A vacancy on the council shall be filled by
> > appointment made by the mayor with the consent of
> > the council, which appointee shall serve only until
> > the next general city election, at which such
> > vacancy shall be filled for the balance of the
> > original term.
> >
> > Idaho Code § 50-702 provides for the point at which
> > councilmen elected take office:
> > â?oCouncilmen elected at each general city election
> > shall be installed at the first meeting in January
> > following election.â?
> >
> > The general rule governing taking office upon
> > election to fill an unexpired term is that the
> > person who wins the election takes the office
> > immediately upon election and qualification;
> > generally within a reasonable time after the
> > election. 67 C.J.S. Officers, § 79. However, where
> > a statute provides otherwise, the person elected to
> > fill an unexpired term takes office at the time
> > prescribed in the statute. Id. White v. Young, 88
> > Idaho 188, 397 P.2d 756 (1964).
> >
> > Reading §§ 50-702 and 50-704 together, it is clear
> > that in Idaho the statutes provide a single, direct
> > answer to the various scenarios posed in your
> > question. Thus, a person elected to fill an
> > unexpired term as provided by § 50-704 would assume
> > office on the first meeting of the council in
> > January following the election. The same would hold
> > true for the person elected for a full term which
> > commences in January following the election. That
> > person also would not take office until the first
> > meeting in January following the election.
> >
> > Each of these conclusions is consistent with the
> > holding in White v. Young, supra, where the Idaho
> > Supreme Court held that a county officer will take
> > office at the time designated by statute.
> >
> > If our office can be of further assistance, please
> > call.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > DANIEL G. CHADWICK
> > Chief, Intergovernmental Affairs Division
> >
> > ******End quoted material ********
> >
> >
> >
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