[Vision2020] Homosexuality

[J Ford]

Ever hear the saying:  Beating a dead horse gets you nowhere?  Seems to me 
this topic has seen it's coming, development and now going.  I suggest you 
move onto something else.

J  ;)




>From: "Michael" <metzler at moscow.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: [Vision2020] Homosexuality
>Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:24:38 -0800
>
>I'm very sorry that Joe Campbell has concluded our discussion the way he
>has.  I was not the one who initiated the discussion, and I continued
>discussing it based on the continued interest of others. I also thought 
>that
>Joe and I were able to keep it on a professional level, which is what I am
>used to as an analytic philosopher.
>
>
>
>As a bit of biographical information on myself: I almost never think about
>homosexuality and I don't think I've ever gotten into a discussion or 
>debate
>about it before this particular exchange; and I really don't have much
>interest in it from here.  Most of my views and experience with the issue
>stems more from standard American evangelicalism on the East Coast and not
>Doug Wilson or any ministries of Christ Church.
>
>
>
>I found it simply a good starting point for getting into basic issues of
>morality and a bit on sexuality in general, since this was a topic that
>seemed to interest others.  I thought we were having a rational
>discussion/debate on basic contemporary issues regarding moral theory and
>sexuality, and I have repeatedly made it clear that I do not compare
>bestiality and homosexuality in the way Joe now claims. I have also
>criticized Christians for the way they have handled the issue of
>homosexuality. Just today I posted the following to Doug Wilson's blog; 
>this
>was one among many points in which I was criticizing Wilson's view on a
>matter.  I wrote:
>
>
>
>"Take homosexuality for example. The media has done a great job at spinning
>the fundamentalist's approach to this issue, and some of it is probably
>correct. Wilson himself has spoken strongly about evangelicals' approach to
>homosexuality and homosexual marriage. We have our bibles up-sided down and
>don't have a clue how and why homosexuality is wrong or what the Lord is
>doing about it; we are just aesthetically disgusted and so we throw our
>political weight around or entertain theonomic thoughts of killing them all
>in the name of our timeless Mosaic civil Law (oh yes we do). (I would
>recommend a browsing of the Homosexuality thread on Vision2020). Should we
>not suspect that McLaren has some of this in mind? Is McLaren hoping to
>start ordaining Lesbian pastors or is he just aberrantly tired of the same
>old slop?"
>
>
>
>So is Joe correct in his assessment of me?  I have maintained a consistent
>pattern of respect for those with non-heterosexual orientation, while also
>maintaining the very simple and traditional point of view that it is 
>morally
>wrong, as is my gruff treatment of my wife, and as is adultery.  I 
>sincerely
>thought Joe was interested in continuing a progressive and helpful
>discussion/debate on the many issues that have been raised, most of which
>are traditional issues discussed in philosophy.  I did not think I would be
>surprised by any turns my discussions on Vision 2020 would take, including
>Wayne Fox's charge that I was a liar.  But I must say, this is a bit
>unsettling and surprising.  I don't mean this to be any sort of criticism
>for Joe; I don't know what else is going on in his head and why he feels 
>the
>way he does; however, I felt it important to defend myself, and I ask
>concerned readers to review the posts on this subject between us.
>
>
>
>
>
>Thank You,
>
>Michael Metzler
>


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