[Vision2020] What just society does something like this?

[Pat Kraut]

They wouldn't have any compassion as we know it for anyone else. Especially
the Jews, but truly anyone. On Good morning America this AM they had the
woman who has stood up to her city council in Pakistan who gang raped her.
She is today's Rosa Parks and what she is doing will rock that world. I
believe that she knew, KNEW that the rest of the world would stand behind
her and if she could only get the press to tell her story she could change
the system. She is incredibly brave. I also think this is some of the
fallout from our taking on Saddam. It will give others the courage to face
their unfair systems and make very positive changes. I know people involved
in Iran in a variety of ways and I think you can expect at some time some
inside changes in that country also. While I believe the press is very
selective in their stories this woman's story is one that they have helped
to promote.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
To: <pkraut at moscow.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] What just society does something like this?


Pat

I looked all over the net to find what I could on the pictures.  It seems
that its not what the intial reports claimed the pictures of the kid being
punished claimed.

What I did find in relationship to punishment in Iran made the pictures of
the little boy look pretty tame, though.

Currently under death sentence by stoning is a 13 year old girl who two
years ago was raped by her 15 year old brother.  He got off scot free, but
she is to be stoned to death in a pit.  6 children under the age of 16 have
been executed in Iran this year.

Being busted for drinking carries a 100 lash fine, beating with a wire
cable.  You can be busted three times for the offense and then you are
hanged.  One 19 year old suffered that fate, hanging, in July.

They have hanged 4000 gays since 1979 in Iran according to Iran Human Rights
Watch.  In the case of Lesbians, just sleeping naked under the covers with
one of the same sex is enough to get you 100 lashes with a wire cable.

Islamic lawyers who write on the internet seem to think that we
'oversensitive westerners' just do not understand that this is not bad.
Here's what one of them says on the subject of amputation of limbs;

"Mutilating means "to deprive a person of an organ of the body"71 and like
'lashing', it too has some negative connotations and I would prefer the
alternative 'amputating'. In Islamic law, its application is only confined
to the hudood punishments for armed robbery72 and theft73, except of course
that it might be applicable to the retributory punishments of qisas. For all
practical purposes, the punishment of 'cutting off' the hand is generally
invoked for the offence of theft and so I will mention it in some detail."

These people have some serious problems.  And they also want the bomb.  If
they are willing to mutilate their own kids, what makes us think that they
would have compassion for the lives of others?

Phil Nisbet




>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] What just society does something like this?
>Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:00:27 -0800
>
>Phil: Some of the people seem to be questioning the truth of the photos. I
>think they are very compelling but with the questions on the site I also
>wonder if they are truth. Perhaps someone knows someone who can do Farsi
>will look at the original site. But, the truth is that the middle eastern
>countries really do have a code that would follow this type of punishment.
>It is why we had to put hands back on some people that had lost them under
>Saddam. But, there are many more out there that will not see the inside of
>an American hospital. It has been the way of this area for a long time. On
>some days I am sure we will not change it and on others I know we are
>giving
>them a great opportunity to do just that.
>I still wonder if they are not doctored in some way.
>PK
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 8:47 AM
>Subject: [Vision2020] What just society does something like this?
>
>
>I just saw some very grim pictures that were evidently taken in Iran or
>Justice done to a small child for stealing a loaf of bread.
>
>http://bareknucklepolitics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=126#126
>
>The pictures have a photographer listed and link back to a Persian language
>news net site.
>
>Any comments from here on this?
>
>Phil Nisbet
>
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