[Vision2020] What just society does something like this?

[Phil Nisbet]

Pat

I looked all over the net to find what I could on the pictures.  It seems 
that its not what the intial reports claimed the pictures of the kid being 
punished claimed.

What I did find in relationship to punishment in Iran made the pictures of 
the little boy look pretty tame, though.

Currently under death sentence by stoning is a 13 year old girl who two 
years ago was raped by her 15 year old brother.  He got off scot free, but 
she is to be stoned to death in a pit.  6 children under the age of 16 have 
been executed in Iran this year.

Being busted for drinking carries a 100 lash fine, beating with a wire 
cable.  You can be busted three times for the offense and then you are 
hanged.  One 19 year old suffered that fate, hanging, in July.

They have hanged 4000 gays since 1979 in Iran according to Iran Human Rights 
Watch.  In the case of Lesbians, just sleeping naked under the covers with 
one of the same sex is enough to get you 100 lashes with a wire cable.

Islamic lawyers who write on the internet seem to think that we 
'oversensitive westerners' just do not understand that this is not bad.  
Here's what one of them says on the subject of amputation of limbs;

"Mutilating means "to deprive a person of an organ of the body"71 and like 
'lashing', it too has some negative connotations and I would prefer the 
alternative 'amputating'. In Islamic law, its application is only confined 
to the hudood punishments for armed robbery72 and theft73, except of course 
that it might be applicable to the retributory punishments of qisas. For all 
practical purposes, the punishment of 'cutting off' the hand is generally 
invoked for the offence of theft and so I will mention it in some detail."

These people have some serious problems.  And they also want the bomb.  If 
they are willing to mutilate their own kids, what makes us think that they 
would have compassion for the lives of others?

Phil Nisbet




>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] What just society does something like this?
>Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:00:27 -0800
>
>Phil: Some of the people seem to be questioning the truth of the photos. I
>think they are very compelling but with the questions on the site I also
>wonder if they are truth. Perhaps someone knows someone who can do Farsi
>will look at the original site. But, the truth is that the middle eastern
>countries really do have a code that would follow this type of punishment.
>It is why we had to put hands back on some people that had lost them under
>Saddam. But, there are many more out there that will not see the inside of
>an American hospital. It has been the way of this area for a long time. On
>some days I am sure we will not change it and on others I know we are 
>giving
>them a great opportunity to do just that.
>I still wonder if they are not doctored in some way.
>PK
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 8:47 AM
>Subject: [Vision2020] What just society does something like this?
>
>
>I just saw some very grim pictures that were evidently taken in Iran or
>Justice done to a small child for stealing a loaf of bread.
>
>http://bareknucklepolitics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=126#126
>
>The pictures have a photographer listed and link back to a Persian language
>news net site.
>
>Any comments from here on this?
>
>Phil Nisbet
>
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