[Vision2020] RE: Dale Courtney
Steven Simmons
lowman at lowbatteries.com
Fri May 27 14:02:27 PDT 2005
I believe you have your terminology mixed up.
Linking means that you provide a web address to a resource on the
internet, and most people prefer that you link to an HTML page instead
of directly to an image, so that people may see its original context.
Pulling images from someone else's server and including them in your
document is considered by most webmasters to be extremely rude, and many
alter their web servers to block this kind of activity. I understand
that you didn't make a physical digital copy of their image, but those
lines are blurry at best when it come to digital media, as everyone who
visits the website inadvertently downloads a copy of the image. You did
however publish their image, and in a context that they have not approved.
Now, speaking outside the context of legality (since, as a humanist, I
believe that humanity is greater than law, and as a Christian, you
probably believe something similar) it is not very respectful to use
someone else's creation in a way in which they did not intend, and even
more so in a way which they openly deplore.
And, I beg to differ on your definition of copyright, and so do the laws
of the United States. To quote the website www.whatiscopyright.org :
"Copyright protection begins when any of the above described work is
actually /created/ and fixed in a tangible form."
Now, because of fair use, I can quote that site. If however, the author
contacted me and asked me not to reproduce that sentence, despite the
fact that he has his copyright published at the bottom of the site, I
would be obliged morally and legally to not do so.
Now, all of this has been applying solely to the use of images. Anyone
has the right to quote this discussion or any other, as long as they are
doing so in context, whether they are malicious or not. A discussion
group like this, I believe, does not afford the same rights as a
creative work.
Kindly,
Steven Simmons
Dale Courtney wrote:
> Steve,
>
> On the Internet, you have the ability to link to images of others
> without copying that image to your site. That image physically lies on
> the original server and owner. There is no duplication of the images.
>
> Second, just because a picture is taken by a photographer doesn't make
> it copyrighted. Copyright law _requires_ that the notice be given. No
> copyright notice, not copyrighted.
>
> Finally, as Wayne Fox is fond of telling everyone, fair use makes
> taking extracts and commenting on them "fair".
>
> I would encourage you to surf the blogsphere and see exactly what I'm
> talking about.
>
> Best,
> Dale
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Steven Simmons [mailto:lowman at lowbatteries.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, 27 May 2005 13:15
> *To:* Dale Courtney; vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] RE: Dale Courtney
>
> The general idea is that you can't publish works unless YOU have a
> copyright, and you don't have it unless the creator of that work gives
> you express permission.
>
> This might be wishy-washy for e-mails, but photographs are very
> definitely copyrighted the minute they are created, so any photo you
> look at is copyrighted. It is only in the "public domain" if its
> creator was the government, then by definition it belongs to all of
> us, as we are the government.
>
> "If anyone finds one, please let me know and I'll pull it immediately."
>
> So, I would say that any image on your site that you did not create or
> recieve permission from the creator, please take them down. Also,
> including an image from someone else's server in your webpage does not
> mean you are not violating their copyright. You are still publishing
> their work, and beyond that you are stealing their bandwidth by
> 'hotlinking'. As a webmaster, I would be doubly angry about that.
>
> Anyone publishing borrowed content should know about copyright law.
> Here is a great site you should read up on: www.whatiscopyright.org
>
> Glad I could be of assistance in helping you be fair and honest and
> correct your mistakes, as you seem to be a man very concerned with the
> truth.
>
> Kindly,
>
> Steven Simmons
>
>
>
> Dale Courtney wrote:
>
>>Scott,
>>
>>Thanks for the kind words. I freely admit to being "right" -- but not a
>>neo-conservative; and certainly not a fascist or a socialist (wrapping back
>>around the back-side to the Left).
>>
>>And I do try to be fair and honest; correct my mistakes; and give reference
>>to all the sources I cite. I do not find it "rude" or "unchristian" not to
>>back down from things that are right -- even when it pokes a hole in
>>someone's pet theories.
>>
>>FWIW, the pictures I link to (yes, the vast majority are external links to
>>Internet pictures -- check it out) are not copyrighted. I'm very careful to
>>not pull any picture with a copyright on it.
>>
>>If anyone finds one, please let me know and I'll pull it immediately.
>>
>>Best,
>>Dale
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>>On Behalf Of Scott Dredge
>>Sent: Friday, 27 May 2005 11:46
>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] RE: Dale Courtney
>>
>>My view is completely different from just about everyone who has posted on
>>this subject. I think Dale Courtney is actually a quite pleasant and
>>reasonable debater. And yes, his blog is overly slanted to the far right.
>>It's his blog. I don't agree with many of his opinions, but he clearly (to
>>me) does not come across rude. I'm sure you can cite some anecdotal
>>evidence (v2020 and blog posts) that contradict my statement, but I'm also
>>sure you can find some pretty vitriolic posts from me if you scanned the
>>archives.
>>
>>I like Dale. I love Joan. I'm not fond of Doug Wilson.
>>
>>-Scott
>>
>>--- eve wasframed <w_w_s_d_ at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>It seems to me too much time and mental energy is wasted on Mr.
>>>Courtney.
>>>Surely we have better things to do. Has anyone looked outside yet?
>>>It's beautiful out there! Take a break and get a cup of coffee at One
>>>World Cafe. Discuss your views amongst the crowd that knows and loves
>>>you well - and likes you anyway :) Dale Courtney has his viewpoints
>>>and opinions, just like the rest of us. I do not think he is the best
>>>spokesman for his church and quite honestly, probably contributes to
>>>their negative publicity.
>>>Something to keep in mind
>>>when discussing NSA in general.
>>>Any other NSA members out there have a viewpoint you'd like to share?
>>>Don't let Dale be your voice, you are good Christians I'm sure, speak
>>>up for yourself if you feel differently.
>>>Until then, let's enjoy the sunshine and keep our hearts light.
>>>
>>>Bless you all,
>>>
>>>EWF
>>>
>>>
>>>
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