[Vision2020] Very Unhappy
Tbertruss at aol.com
Tbertruss at aol.com
Thu May 26 13:57:36 PDT 2005
Anyone on the web can go to:
and see the archives of Vision2020 which should have every Vision2020 post
for years back accessible.
Here are the first two hits from a simple Google web search using my name
Ted Moffett on Pacifism
... Ted Moffett on Pacifism. Ted Moffett writes:. What amazes me, has always
me, since I was a teeny tiny person, is how this moral directive is so ...
right-mind.us/archive/2004/11/04/560.aspx - 43k - Cached - Similar pages
> Ted Moffett's Paranoia
> ... Ted Moffett's Paranoia. Ted Moffet posted an article called “I smell a
> Ted, how do you reply to Anne Applebaum's post about having faith in ATMs,
> right-mind.us/archive/2004/11/17/678.aspx - 42k - Cached - Similar pages
As you can see, both of these hits are from Dale's web site where he used
Vision2020 posts I authored to create or attempt to create discussion on his
I can only conclude Dale is desperate to draw others to his site, so he must
steal controversy, as it were, from Vision2020.
Below is a forwarded Vision2020 post I sent recently about Dale Courtney's
web site that generated zero comments on the Vision2020 list.
Subj: [Vision2020] Dale Courtney's Oversimplifications
Date: 5/21/2005 9:48:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Tbertruss at aol.com
To: dmcourtn at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)
Mr. Dale Courtney et. al.
Shortly after last fall's presidential election, I posted to V2020 an article
about the possibility of voting fraud and/or tampering. I consider this a
nonpartisan issue that anyone who cares in the slightest bit about the integrity
of the electoral process would wish to see explored and exposed. I merely
posted the article, without writing any text, just signing my name.
So how does Dale Courtney respond? He places on his web site a post in bold
font announcing "Ted Moffett's Paranoia," suggesting that I respond to another
article about computer systems and paper trails.
Regardless of the facts and arguments on the issue of computerized voting,
what kind of morality is behind placing on a public web site a derogatory
statement about the psychology of someone you don't know who was merely making
information available about a critical issue? If Dale did not post the statement
in question, perhaps he needs to moderate the content on his website? But my
best guess is that this statement was authored by him.
When I first discovered this juvenile and rude conduct on his web site, I
decided to ignore it.
But today I found more nonsense on Mr. Courtney's web site. Apparently, he
feels a need to lump together under the words "left" and/or "lefty" a large
group of people with widely varying views on government. Dale wrote in answer to
a Joan Opry V2020 post:
"First, I'm not Faul, or Stigmatta, or Fiat, or... That's not me. No need. I
don't play "hide-and-seek" games. I sign everything that's mine. 20 years in
the navy teaches one to have a backbone/spine. So don't assign the methods of
the Left (Ivan Brewski, Art Deco, JeanC, Captain Kirker, R2 Privacy, Shelly,
Tbertruss, DPQ, hayfields, LRR, Nebar, Wocsom, etc) onto someone who behaves
right (pun intended). Go look somewhere else for your bogeymen.
As I said previously, I do find it the height of hypocrisy that the Left
doesn't get bent out of shape when Lefties are anonymous. But let someone they
don't agree with try and be anonymous? Ah! The intolerance of the Tolerant. I've
come to expect nothing less."
First off, Mr. Courtney, you need to follow the V2020 list more closely if
you are going to assume all those on the "left" are one group that marches in
lock step. Tom Hansen, no doubt in your mind one of those nefarious members of
the "left," once chided on V2020 yours truly for not signing a V2020 post. So
in fact on V2020 a "lefty" chided a fellow "lefty" (this designation is only
in Mr. Courtney's mind, because I do not describe myself as a "lefty" or a
member of the "left") for not signing a V2020 post. I argued once on V2020 that
perhaps not signing a V2020 post with a "real" name can in some cases be
justified. Bill London, another individual I suspect you would label "leftist,"
I have occasionally not signed a V2020 post when using my AOL e-mail address
"tbertruss," but I nearly always do. I am not trying to hide behind
"tbertruss." Everyone who follows V2020 knows that "Art Deco" is Wayne Fox, and
"Nebar" is Jasper Nance. The V2020 posts by these individuals do not represent a
deliberate attempt to hide their identity, as Dale Courtney implied.
"Faul," "Sigmatta" and "Fiat" were attempting to hide their identities from
the V2020 list, as far as I know.
Who is looking for "bogeymen," as Dale Courtney wrote in response to Joan
Opry? It seems Dale Courtney's stereotyping oversimplifying views of this large
and varied group of individuals he regards as being members of the "left"
qualify these "Lefty's" as his own "bogeymen."
Perhaps Mr. Courtney is so enamored of marching in lock step utilizing a form
of "group think" that he projects this manner of thinking onto those he
imagines oppose him.
I will let the immortal words of Dale Courtney written to Joan Opry on Mr.
Courtney's web site express what I think about his statement "Ted Moffett's
"So instead of trying to project your bias and venom on someone you don't
know, why don't you go do something useful."
Links to the info on Dale Courtney's web site mentioned above:
V2020 Post by Ted Moffett
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