[Vision2020] Safe and Healthy Workplace

Tue May 24 15:01:19 PDT 2005

Ms. C (Sorry I cannot digress to name calling as you
have),

First, I think you misunderstand. It is NOT part of
the job description of a US soldier to get shot or
die. That is the job of the opposing forces.

Second, being around people smoking IS part of the job
description of a bartender. They do things like, sell
cigarettes, light cigarettes, give matches to people
with cigarettes, clean and empty ashtrays, and
extinguish cigarettes. So, yes, being around a
cigarette is the part of the job description. Just
like being around poopy diapers is a requirement for
working with infants and babies. You are not required
to smell them, but good luck avoiding them.

If you think that smoking around the bartender should
be reason to ban cigarettes because of OSHA, why stop
there? Why allow music? Music loud enough to dance to
causes damage to the ear drum of anyone in the area
for more than a few hours. Should moderate dancing
music be banned too for a safe and healthy workplace
for the bartender and DJ? 

You have abandoned common sense with your "make no
assumptions" philosophy.

And just out of curiosity, what are the OSHA
regulations regarding working safely with alligators?

Take Care,

Donovan J Arnold

--- Julie C <joodge at hotmail.com> wrote:

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Donald Arnovan wrote:

I am sorry I called you Ms. Carscallen. No insult was
intended.

And why would that be insulting??

It's not an insult, but an example of Mr. Arnovan
jumping to every conclusion possible.

I am a bit confused however, as to why you think
people trying to kill you is not considered an unsafe
and unhealthy environment. Perhaps we just have a
different interpretation of safe and healthy.

Because THAT IS THE JOB.

If I got a job as an alligator tamer, I would not
expect that to be safe. But if my boss at the
alligator farm was painting with lead paint....then we
have a unsafe and unhealthy workplace. 

The OSHA portion of the labor law poster here in my
office says "Occupational Safety and Health Act of
1970: You Have the Right to a Safe and Healthful
Workplace" "THE OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH ACT OF
1970 ASSURES SAFE AND HEALTHFUL WORKING CONDITIONS FOR
WORKING MEN AND WOMEN THROUGHOUT THE NATION.  THE
OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH ADMINISTRATION, IN THE
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF LABOR, HAS THE PRIMARY
RESPONSIBILITY FOR ADMINISTERING THE OSH ACT."

*~*The real voyage of discovery consists not in
seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes.*~*

----Original Message Follows----
From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: Julie C <joodge at hotmail.com>,
vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Safe and Healthy Workplace
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:50:33 -0700 (PDT)

Ms. Crumley,

I am sorry I called you Ms. Carscallen. No insult was
intended.

I am a bit confused however, as to why you think
people trying to kill you is not considered an unsafe
and unhealthy environment. Perhaps we just have a
different interpretation of safe and healthy.

Take Care,

Donovan J Arnold

--- Julie C <joodge at hotmail.com> wrote:

---------------------------------

First off, my name is Julie Crumley. Thanks. Nice
example of jumping to a conclusion.

And yes, it would be the goverment that "sent over
200,000 American men and women to a
desert full of people trying to kill them?" You could
sure come over to my house and my better half can tell
you all about "people trying to kill them." That is
his job, that is what they are trained to do, and paid
to do...but he'll tell you his ship is smoke free!!!
Safe and healthy workplace!

JC

JULIE CRUMLEY, thanks.

*~*The real voyage of discovery consists not in
seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes.*~*

----Original Message Follows----
From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: Julie C <joodge at hotmail.com>,
vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Safe and Healthy Workplace
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:17:58 -0700 (PDT)

Julie Carscallen wrote,

"I believe everyone has the right to a safe and
healthy workplace. Actually, so does the government."

Julie, would this happen to be the SAME government
that sent over 200,000 American men and women to a
desert full of people trying to kill them?

Take Care,

Donovan J Arnold

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Donovan says:

"However, no, I do not think that employees have the
right to "smoke-free" work places if that is part of
the job and the employer cannot pay them if they do
not have customers. Do doctors have the right to be in
AIDS free work spaces when doing surgery? Do Police
have the right to be in a criminal free environment?
Do Firemen have the right to be in fire free areas? Do
teachers have the right not to be around children? Do
window cleaners have the right to keep both feet on
the ground? No, that is their job. They are all
environmental hazards with the job they choose. You do
not have the right to dictate the conditions of your
job."

Holy gegeez.it's not a cigarette smoking factory, it's
a frfrickinbar.

I believe everyone has the right to a safe and healthy
workplace. Actually, so does the government. They
happen to say so on the labor law poster right here
next to my desk.

JCJC

*~*The real voyage of discovery consists not in
seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes.*~*

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