[Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic

Wed May 4 19:58:37 PDT 2005

I got it from a life of living with someone diagnosed as a paranoid
Schizophrenic. This is a term used only since the 1970's or so. Before that
they said that the reason my mother was so much trouble was because the
'family had problems'. If you've ever tried to live with someone delusional
it definitely can make for family problems. These diagnosis were much more
accurate after they could really examine the brain and body chemistry and
have changed many times through the years. Another change will only confuse
the issues more. It was a very interesting time. The truly mentally ill live
in a very lonely private world that no one else can really get into. My
mother recently died still living in that very private world. Doug's
conspiracies were his own and coldhearted logic helped the rest of us on
Vision 2020 to see the illogical side of his arguments. Yes, I would say he
was the resident of Vision 2020's Schizophrenic, Donovan. On the other hand
when it comes to paranoia there are some others who recently can certainly
come close.
Just saw an advertisement for the new 'Frontline' that is going to show some
of the issues dealing with this issue. Should be a very complicated program
because it is that kind of a problem.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cjs" <cjs at turbonet.com>
To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic

Pat - where did you get your doctorate?

Phil

-----Original message-----
From: "Pat Kraut" pkraut at moscow.com
Date: Wed,  4 May 2005 11:08:51 -0700
To: "vision2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic

> Donovan: I thought the reference to Doug and this illness was most
> appropriate. He was very delusional and paranoid about certain groups and
> the government. His posts and what I know of him away from vision 2020 fit
> very well in this diagnosis. Yes, way too many people think it is some
sort
> of split personality because this was the term many years ago but that is
> now called bi-polar. I am well aware of Schizophrenia and what it does to
> families and I am also somewhat aware of Doug's problems. He was very ill
> and I am sure that his family is struggling. Thanks for the lesson.
> PK
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> To: <joanopyr at earthlink.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:06 AM
> Subject: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
>
>
> "who was once our resident schizophrenic."--Joan Opyr
>
> This is the third time in the last few months that I
> have heard the term "schizophrenic" used in a
> derogatory manner.
>
> Let me explain something to people that do this and
> obviously do not know people struggling with it.
> Schizophrenia is a REAL mental illness. It has nothing
> to do with split personality. Nor does it strike
> people because they are bad people. It is caused by
> the slow deterioration of parts of the brain. There is
> no cure for it. It is a mental illness that is very
> challenging to those that have it.
>
> Many thousands of families have to deal with the pain
> and mental anguish of watching someone close to them
> get worse and worse and not being able to do anything
> about it. It is even worse when you watch it in
> children and young adults.
>
> I do not care your background, education, or
> experience. When you use the term schizophrenic in a
> derogatory and offense term you are hurting more then
> just the person you are targeting and publicly
> humiliating many people with a real disability that is
> life threatening and challenging.
>
> I ask that people to please STOP doing this.
>
> Take Care,
>
> Donovan J Arnold
>
>
>
> --- "joanopyr at earthlink.net" <joanopyr at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Ladies and Gentlemen of Vision 2020,
> >
> > Those of us who have been on this list for a few
> > years will remember poor Doug Stambler, who was once
> > our resident schizophrenic.  Mr. Stambler posted
> > ten, twenty, or thirty times per day -- incoherent,
> > rambling, paranoid conspiracy theories.  He saw all;
> > he knew all; he could predict all.  (He was also
> > heavy with the libel and the capitalization.)  There
> > was no reasoning with Doug Stambler, and no
> > reasonable conversation was possible either with him
> > or around him.  LIke a drunk on a city bus, he spent
> > all day every day vomiting on the regular commuters.
> >  In short, he was hopelessly disruptive.  Those of
> > us who got the wise idea of adding him to our "block
> > sender" lists soon found that Mr. Stambler had
> > bypassed them by changing his email addresses
> > rapidly and at random.  The question soon arose of
> > what to do: should he barred from Vision 2020?  And
> > if so, by whom?
> >
> > In the end, we decided as one (though Mr. Stambler
> > was frankly many) to ignore him.
> >
> > It is now clear that we have not one but two new
> > Doug Stamblers on Vision 2020.  I intend from here
> > on out to ignore them.  When they change their email
> > addresses, I'll simply update my block sender list.
> > I will not respond to their posts; I will not be
> > provoked.  I can only recommend that my fellow
> > Visionaries do the same.  Don't feed a stray dog if
> > you want it to go away.
> >
> > 'Ere long we will again have productive
> > conversations on this list.  As soon as I regain my
> > own equilibrium, I intend to be part of them.  In
> > the meantime, I'll reminisce about the time Crazy
> > Charlie barfed into my Aunt Colleen's pocketbook on
> > a Capital Area Transit Bus in Raleigh, North
> > Carolina.  Sic transit gloria.
> >
> > Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
> > www.auntie-establishment >
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