[Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic

[cjs]

Pat - where did you get your doctorate?

Phil


-----Original message-----
From: "Pat Kraut" pkraut at moscow.com
Date: Wed,  4 May 2005 11:08:51 -0700
To: "vision2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic

> Donovan: I thought the reference to Doug and this illness was most
> appropriate. He was very delusional and paranoid about certain groups and
> the government. His posts and what I know of him away from vision 2020 fit
> very well in this diagnosis. Yes, way too many people think it is some sort
> of split personality because this was the term many years ago but that is
> now called bi-polar. I am well aware of Schizophrenia and what it does to
> families and I am also somewhat aware of Doug's problems. He was very ill
> and I am sure that his family is struggling. Thanks for the lesson.
> PK
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> To: <joanopyr at earthlink.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:06 AM
> Subject: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
> 
> 
> "who was once our resident schizophrenic."--Joan Opyr
> 
> This is the third time in the last few months that I
> have heard the term "schizophrenic" used in a
> derogatory manner.
> 
> Let me explain something to people that do this and
> obviously do not know people struggling with it.
> Schizophrenia is a REAL mental illness. It has nothing
> to do with split personality. Nor does it strike
> people because they are bad people. It is caused by
> the slow deterioration of parts of the brain. There is
> no cure for it. It is a mental illness that is very
> challenging to those that have it.
> 
> Many thousands of families have to deal with the pain
> and mental anguish of watching someone close to them
> get worse and worse and not being able to do anything
> about it. It is even worse when you watch it in
> children and young adults.
> 
> I do not care your background, education, or
> experience. When you use the term schizophrenic in a
> derogatory and offense term you are hurting more then
> just the person you are targeting and publicly
> humiliating many people with a real disability that is
> life threatening and challenging.
> 
> I ask that people to please STOP doing this.
> 
> Take Care,
> 
> Donovan J Arnold
> 
> 
> 
> --- "joanopyr at earthlink.net" <joanopyr at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > Ladies and Gentlemen of Vision 2020,
> >
> > Those of us who have been on this list for a few
> > years will remember poor Doug Stambler, who was once
> > our resident schizophrenic.  Mr. Stambler posted
> > ten, twenty, or thirty times per day -- incoherent,
> > rambling, paranoid conspiracy theories.  He saw all;
> > he knew all; he could predict all.  (He was also
> > heavy with the libel and the capitalization.)  There
> > was no reasoning with Doug Stambler, and no
> > reasonable conversation was possible either with him
> > or around him.  LIke a drunk on a city bus, he spent
> > all day every day vomiting on the regular commuters.
> >  In short, he was hopelessly disruptive.  Those of
> > us who got the wise idea of adding him to our "block
> > sender" lists soon found that Mr. Stambler had
> > bypassed them by changing his email addresses
> > rapidly and at random.  The question soon arose of
> > what to do: should he barred from Vision 2020?  And
> > if so, by whom?
> >
> > In the end, we decided as one (though Mr. Stambler
> > was frankly many) to ignore him.
> >
> > It is now clear that we have not one but two new
> > Doug Stamblers on Vision 2020.  I intend from here
> > on out to ignore them.  When they change their email
> > addresses, I'll simply update my block sender list.
> > I will not respond to their posts; I will not be
> > provoked.  I can only recommend that my fellow
> > Visionaries do the same.  Don't feed a stray dog if
> > you want it to go away.
> >
> > 'Ere long we will again have productive
> > conversations on this list.  As soon as I regain my
> > own equilibrium, I intend to be part of them.  In
> > the meantime, I'll reminisce about the time Crazy
> > Charlie barfed into my Aunt Colleen's pocketbook on
> > a Capital Area Transit Bus in Raleigh, North
> > Carolina.  Sic transit gloria.
> >
> > Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
> > www.auntie-establishment >
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