[Vision2020] Terri Schiavo
David M. Budge
dave at davebudge.com
Wed Mar 23 01:43:46 PST 2005
I caution using polls as a guiding light on this issue as most Americans
are not paying attention to details and give a cursory opinion of their
feelings. The facts complicate this greatly. I certainly have not
addressed anyone's morality on the issue except those that make snarky
comments about human vegetables and other glib observations.
There are good arguments on both sides of whether it is more "moral" to
let her live or let her died. As for Doug Wilson - you all seem to
address that issue and don't need my help.
db
Carl Westberg wrote:
> I generally try to refrain from bringing Doug Wilson up on this
> listserve. But, in relation to the Terri Schiavo case, I have to
> reference a posting on his blog. I still maintain that there are good
> people on both sides of the issue with honorable intentions.
> Evidently I'm wrong. He sums up his argument against the majority
> opinion of the country by declaring that "an inability to follow an
> argument of this nature is a profound moral failing." That I'm
> guilty of profound moral failure is a shock to no one, but some 65% of
> the country is, too? Wow.
>
>
>
> Carl Westberg Jr.
>
>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>> To: "'David M. Budge'" <dave at davebudge.com>, "'Donovan
>> Arnold'" <donovanarnold at hotmail.com>
>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com, pkraut at moscow.com
>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Terri Schiavo
>> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:47:09 -0800
>>
>> One question that seems appropriate and has not been asked:
>>
>> Why hadn't Terri Schiavo's parents filed for legal guardianship of
>> Terri ten
>> years ago when Michael had a relationship with another woman? I feel
>> that
>> it would have curtailed all of this from happening. They could have
>> applied
>> for legal guardianship claiming that Michael no longer has Terri's best
>> interests at heart.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> We could learn a lot from crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty,
>> some are
>> dull, some have weird names, and all are different colors....but they
>> all
>> exist very nicely in the same box.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>> On Behalf Of David M. Budge
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:31 AM
>> To: Donovan Arnold
>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com; pkraut at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Terri Schiavo
>>
>> If anyone is curious as to the issues of the "Finding of Facts" in this
>> case, there is a very comprehensive review done by Reverend Robert
>> Johansen which was published on the National Review website last week at
>> http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/johansen200503160848.asp .
>>
>> Admittedly Father Johansen is bias toward keeping Terri alive in consort
>> with the Catholic Church. But as I have been following this case I have
>> come to understand much of what the Schlindler's have been saying about
>> the judicial proceedings and what they determine as blind intransigence
>> on the part of the Florida courts.
>>
>> Also, the money that was awarded Michael and Terri Schiavo breaks
>> something like this. The total award was about $1.6 million. After
>> legal fees Michael received $300,000 and a medical trust was set up for
>> Terri with something just less that $900,000. Much of the $900,000 has
>> been spent on legal fees for Michael's cause which was authorized by the
>> Florida courts. I have no idea about life insurance, but if there is
>> any it is likely owned by Michael and therefor has not been subject to
>> public disclosure.
>>
>> I also assume that my referring some of you to the National Review will
>> be dismissed out of hand as wingnut crap. Don't bother to send me email
>> telling me so. I'm not interested in knee jerk dismissals.
>>
>> db
>>
>>
>>
>> Donovan Arnold wrote:
>>
>> > Pat and others,
>> >
>> > Life insurance is only paid after someone dies, to my understanding.
>> > Medical insurance can run out, but that is different. We have no way
>> > of knowing if it is the case that the husband or his children would
>> > get money or not. Nonetheless, that does not mean that there are not
>> > legitimate reasons on both sides of the issue. What bothers me the
>> > most is the attempts to demonize the other side. Most the people that
>> > are saying keep her alive or end her life are saying so because they
>> > believe that is the most loving thing to do, not because they wish her
>> > or her family to suffer. I think people need to keep that into
>> > perspective when talking about this sensitive issue that effects many
>> > people.
>> >
>> > Tom Delay is an idiot, and for him to attack her husband is way out of
>> > line. He should be ashamed of his public behavior.
>> >
>> > Take Care,
>> >
>> > Donovan J Arnold
>> >
>> >> From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>> >> To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Terri Schiavo
>> >> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:22:08 -0800
>> >>
>> >> On Nightline last night an attorney involved in the case said that
>> the
>> >> Husband could not touch the lawsuit money in any way. The insurance
>> >> ran out
>> >> a long time ago. She is now on Medicare etc.
>> >> This whole thing is such a mess. My questions start with how did
>> she get
>> >> this way to start with? Who made the medical decisions that put that
>> >> tube in
>> >> to start with? And it only goes downhill from there.
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Dan Carscallen" <predator75 at moscow.com>
>> >> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:48 AM
>> >> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Terri Schiavo
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Maybe it's the cynic in me, but I have heard there is a money issue
>> >> involved (life insurance?).
>> >>
>> >> Either way, I agree with you, Carl, that it doesn't matter what
>> you SAY,
>> >> you'd better get your wishes written down.
>> >>
>> >> DC
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>> >> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Carl Westberg
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:44 AM
>> >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >> Subject: [Vision2020] Terri Schiavo
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In following the Terri Schiavo story, I find it disheartening that
>> good
>> >> people on both sides of the issue show such acrimony toward the
>> "other
>> >> side". As well as I can discern, those who feel she should be kept
>> >> alive do
>> >> so out of compassion. And, those who feel she should be allowed
>> to die
>> >> feel
>> >> that way out of an equal compassion. I happen to be among the
>> latter,
>> >> though I have friends and family members who are among the
>> former. All
>> >> good
>> >> people, with the possible exception of myself. If any public good
>> can
>> >> come
>> >> out this tragic case, perhaps more people will be persuaded to write
>> >> living
>> >> wills, so it cannot happen to them. I intend to. I cannot imagine
>> >> enduring
>> >> 15 years of "life" the way Mrs. Schiavo has.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Carl Westberg Jr.
>> >>
>> >>
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