[Vision2020] Trinty
Mike Hall
mikehall at moscow.com
Sun Mar 20 18:57:45 PST 2005
Point conceded. It is not ours. It is on the website as a part of what we
believe and is part of our confession.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of J Ford
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:48 PM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Trinty
The Nicene Creed, which Mr. Hall states is "from our statement of faith" is
certainly not something soley attributable to Christ Church, the RPCUS, the
reformed church world at all...it was started in 381AD by the Council of
Constantinople - unless Doug is stating he's THAT old, I don't beleive he
can make a concrete statement of ownership. Perhaps, to be fair, Mr. Hall
was stating that it is a statement they agree with...not the way I remember,
however - it was usally presented just as Mr. Hall says "OUR statement of
faith."
>From: "Mike Hall" <mikehall at moscow.com>
>To: "'Tom Hansen'" <thansen at moscow.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Trinty
>Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:12:00 -0800
>
>Good one Tom... :^)
>
>Btw - I'm not involved in church management in any way, shape or form.
>"And the rest of church said...amen"
>
>As for fighting, I'll have to pass. Hit the big four-oh last year and I'm
>feeling it more each day...
>
>As for Mr. Fox's statement, I would hope to be transparent. There are no
>secrets to hide at Christ Church when it comes to what it's about. In
>fact,
>as we approach Good Friday and Easter, what Christ Church is about is
>patently clear and apparent. It's about Jesus Christ crucified, buried and
>risen again, now seated at the right hand of the Father. It's not about
>one
>man, Doug Wilson. It's about another man, Jesus Christ. You might want to
>take things up with Him, not Mr. Wilson. By the way, you're invited too...
>
>Mike Hall
>
>p.s. - here's another sample from our statement of faith
>
>Nicene Creed I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and
>earth, and of
>all things visible and invisible; and in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only
>begotten Son of God, begotten of His Father before all worlds, God of God,
>Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one
>substance with the Father; by whom all things were made; who, for us men
>and
>for our salvation, came down from Heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy
>Ghost of the virgin, Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us
>under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose
>again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into Heaven, and sits on
>the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge
>both the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end. And I believe
>in the Holy Ghost, the Lord, and Giver of Life, who proceeds from the
>Father
>and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and
>glorified; who spoke by the Prophets. And I believe in one holy, catholic
>and apostolic Church; acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins;
>and
>I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.
>Amen.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of Tom Hansen
>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 12:45 PM
>To: 'J Ford'; deco at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Trinty
>
>Good question, Mr. Ford.
>
>I have always been of the impression that a fight is necessary if and ONLY
>IF it concerns turning down a Double Dog Dare, where the initiator (Mike
>Hall in this case) states, "I double dog dare you to . . . ". But then,
>aren't all statements, originating from Christ Church management,
>understood
>to be Double Dog Dares?
>
>Tom Hansen
>
>We could learn a lot from crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty, some
>are
>dull, some have weird names, and all are different colors....but they all
>exist very nicely in the same box.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of J Ford
>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 12:18 PM
>To: deco at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Trinty
>
>Not to mention "I dare you..."? Does that mean if Tim doesn't go, he has
>to
>
>fight?
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
> >To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: [Vision2020] Trinty
> >Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:04:45 -0800
> >
> >How transparent can you get?
> >
> >When will the big conversion take place?
> >
> >
> >Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
> >deco at moscow.com
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Mike Hall" <mikehall at moscow.com>
> >To: "'Timothy Rigsby'" <timo5277 at uidaho.edu>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:17 PM
> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Trinity
> >
> >
> > > Tim,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your perspective.
> > >
> > > I would issue a personal challenge though. I dare you to come to
>Christ
> > > Church this Sunday morning. I will personally introduce you to Doug
> > > Wilson
> > > and you can have a conversation with him. During the service you will
> > > also
> > > get an idea of what makes him tick. I sincerely believe you will find
> > > that
> > > there are a bunch of regular ole good people there on Sunday, and I
> >think
> > > you will find Doug himself to be a decent guy. If you're up for the
> > > challenge, I will meet you at the back of the Logos gym on A Street
> >after
> > > the service. I will be wearing a blue blazer, grey pants and a tie.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > p.s. - as an aside and to provide more information, Christ Church,
> > > contrary
> > > to what some may say, is a Reformed Evangelical church well within the
> > > mainstream of what that tradition has represented for hundreds of
>years.
> > > What has evolved over the years is the world we live in. The views of
> >the
> > > Bible are not in vogue anymore, in many parts of America at least.
> >Hence,
> > > when Pastor Wilson speaks and preaches that which has been proclaimed
> >for
> > > millennia, he is vilified by many. That's fine. Doug's a big boy and
> >he
> > > can handle it. It's quite humorous that some would degenerate into
>name
> > > calling via terms like "cult" and the like. Yet those at Christ
>Church,
> > > as
> > > well as many, many folks throughout the Palouse not affiliated with
> >Christ
> > > Church, know that such inflammatory rhetoric is not helpful to public
> > > discussion of issues that are near and dear to all of us. But that is
> >not
> > > their goal I suppose. I won't speculate on the felt needs they are
> > > objectifying through their posts, but there are many in this community
> > > that
> > > see through their façade. And whether or not there is agreement or
> > > disagreement, their agenda is clear and it is not dialogue; it is not
> > > community; it is not good will towards all men...and women. Well,
> >enough
> > > with the side comments. I hope you will rise to my personal
>challenge.
>
> >I
> > > remember my college days and the questions that were burning in my
>heart
> > > at
> > > that time. I hope you are still open-minded enough to consider that
> >what
> > > you read on vision 2020 is not all reality...
> > > For more reading on the beliefs of Christ Church, visit
> > > http://www.christkirk.com and click on the "confession" link...here's
>a
> > > sample...
> > >
> > >
> > > I believe in God the Father Almighty; Maker of heaven and earth, and
>in
> > > Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord. He was conceived by the
> > > Holy
> > > Ghost, and born of the virgin, Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
> >was
> > > crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into Hades. On the third
> >day
> > > He rose again, ascended into Heaven, and sits at the right hand of God
> >the
> > > Father; from thence He will come to judge the living and the dead. I
> > > believe
> > > in the Holy Ghost, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints,
> >the
> > > forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life
> > > everlasting.
> > > Amen.
>
>
>
>
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