[Vision2020] Trinty

[J Ford]

Not to mention "I dare you..."?  Does that mean if Tim doesn't go, he has to 
fight?





>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: [Vision2020] Trinty
>Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:04:45 -0800
>
>How transparent can you get?
>
>When will the big conversion take place?
>
>
>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>deco at moscow.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mike Hall" <mikehall at moscow.com>
>To: "'Timothy Rigsby'" <timo5277 at uidaho.edu>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:17 PM
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Trinity
>
>
> > Tim,
> >
> > Thanks for your perspective.
> >
> > I would issue a personal challenge though.  I dare you to come to Christ
> > Church this Sunday morning.  I will personally introduce you to Doug
> > Wilson
> > and you can have a conversation with him.  During the service you will
> > also
> > get an idea of what makes him tick.  I sincerely believe you will find
> > that
> > there are a bunch of regular ole good people there on Sunday, and I 
>think
> > you will find Doug himself to be a decent guy.  If you're up for the
> > challenge, I will meet you at the back of the Logos gym on A Street 
>after
> > the service.  I will be wearing a blue blazer, grey pants and a tie.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > p.s. - as an aside and to provide more information, Christ Church,
> > contrary
> > to what some may say, is a Reformed Evangelical church well within the
> > mainstream of what that tradition has represented for hundreds of years.
> > What has evolved over the years is the world we live in.  The views of 
>the
> > Bible are not in vogue anymore, in many parts of America at least.  
>Hence,
> > when Pastor Wilson speaks and preaches that which has been proclaimed 
>for
> > millennia, he is vilified by many.  That's fine.  Doug's a big boy and 
>he
> > can handle it.  It's quite humorous that some would degenerate into name
> > calling via terms like "cult" and the like.  Yet those at Christ Church,
> > as
> > well as many, many folks throughout the Palouse not affiliated with 
>Christ
> > Church, know that such inflammatory rhetoric is not helpful to public
> > discussion of issues that are near and dear to all of us.  But that is 
>not
> > their goal I suppose.  I won't speculate on the felt needs they are
> > objectifying through their posts, but there are many in this community
> > that
> > see through their façade.  And whether or not there is agreement or
> > disagreement, their agenda is clear and it is not dialogue; it is not
> > community; it is not good will towards all men...and women.  Well, 
>enough
> > with the side comments.  I hope you will rise to my personal challenge.  
>I
> > remember my college days and the questions that were burning in my heart
> > at
> > that time.  I hope you are still open-minded enough to consider that 
>what
> > you read on vision 2020 is not all reality...
> > For more reading on the beliefs of Christ Church, visit
> > http://www.christkirk.com and click on the "confession" link...here's a
> > sample...
> >
> >
> > I believe in God the Father Almighty; Maker of heaven and earth, and in
> > Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord. He was conceived by the
> > Holy
> > Ghost, and born of the virgin, Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, 
>was
> > crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into Hades. On the third 
>day
> > He rose again, ascended into Heaven, and sits at the right hand of God 
>the
> > Father; from thence He will come to judge the living and the dead. I
> > believe
> > in the Holy Ghost, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, 
>the
> > forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life
> > everlasting.
> > Amen.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > On Behalf Of Timothy Rigsby
> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:16 PM
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Trinity
> >
> > According to the Dean of Students office at UI, their mission includes 
>the
> > following statements:
> >
> > a) "Our purpose is to support the academic mission of the University and
> > to
> > enhance
> > the personal growth and civic responsibility of students."
> >
> > If this is the case then the Dean of Students needs to object to this
> > event
> > because of
> > the lack of support for the academic mission of the University, and the
> > idea
> > that this
> > event will not support the personal growth OR civic responsibility of
> > students,
> > except the students who protest I guess.
> >
> > b) "We promote educational and leadership experiences which prepare
> > students
> > to
> > serve their communities and respect the dignity of all persons."
> >
> > Again, the Dean of Students must object because this event does not
> > promote
> > educational and leadership experiences.  This event definitely does not
> > prepare
> > students to serve their community, and obviously does not respect the
> > dignity of all persons.
> >
> > "We believe..."
> > c)  "Students have the right . . . to be treated with equity, honesty, 
>and
> > respect in
> > all INTERACTIONS."  DOUG WILSON DOES NOT TREAT MINORITIES, WOMEN, OR
> > PEOPLE
> > WHO OBJECT TO HIM WITH RESPECT!
> >
> > d)  "Students are valuable partners in decision-making activities
> > concerning
> >
> > issues that affect the quality of campus life."  OBVIOUSLY NOT SINCE 
>THIS
> > WAS SCHEDULED
> > WITHOUT THE CONSENT OR KNOWLEDGE OF THE STUDENTS!
> >
> > e) "It is our duty to the people of Idaho to use resources responsibly."
> > IS
> > THIS
> > FESTIVAL USING UI'S RESOURCES WISELY?
> >
> > Just a few thoughts from a students perspective.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
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