[Vision2020] The Hairy Krishnas

[Saundra Lund]

Joan wrote:
"PPS: Bite me, Doug Jones."

A word of wisdom from one who cares:  before inviting him to bite you,
insist on seeing proof that his shots -- including rabies -- are current and
valid!  My suspicion is that such proof would be lacking, which could
explain the rabid mouth-and-finger-frothing ranting that seem to spring from
that particular source.

For further evidence, please check out his mind-numbing (not to mention just
plain creepy) ramblings as published in Credenda Agenda.  There are so many,
it's hard to choose one to offer up, but:
http://www.credenda.org/issues/16-3thema.php

BTW, excellent post, Joan -- my thanks for saying things so well.  It would
be very . . . convenient if cries of "Private Foul!" obscure the real issues
of "hypocrisy, abuse, and pulpit-bullying" that this particular
private-made-public-by-a-pastor tragedy is indicative of.

It's easy to keep one's head in the sand about the harm this so-called
"church" causes, if not the folks directly involved, then our community as a
whole, until you start *really* listening to the heartbreaking stories of
individuals within the fold who have been harmed.  It's not just an isolated
case here and there -- it's pretty routine.

And, when we understand -- truly understand -- that there are folks who stay
*precisely* because they don't want their *private* problems announced from
the pulpit on in the church "bulletin," then how can we remain silent???
There are lots of things in life that are bad, but in my book, spiritual and
pastoral abuses are some of the most absolutely positively truly wicked &
evil.


Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
Edmund Burke

-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Joan Opyr
Sent: Monday, 07 March 2005 1:25 PM
To: Vision2020 Moscow
Subject: [Vision2020] The Hairy Krishnas

J. Ford writes to Wayne (and 2020):
 
"To add to your already 'well said' comments, I would like to say that the
people of Christ Church OPENLY allow their children, in fact encourage them
to say things like 'hang all gays' 'they should be burned' 'kill them - who
needs them' and speak out rather loudly about how horrible public schools
are, how the UI should be closed, how 'evil taking government loans' is
(this from people who have children attending UI and are taking government
loans to do so), who hate anything that is not 'normal' to their definition,
who have no clue what mercy, forgiveness, tolorence is.  I can not tell you
the many times I have heard these people say these things and then watch as
they act like a pack of dogs when they find out someone in their school or
midst is, in fact, gay.  The person is so devistated despite the fact that
they were in the school/church for years and well liked, to all of a sudden
be hated and wished dead.  This happens to children as well as adults.  If
you do not fit their idea of what you should be like, they do not hesitate
to let you know and make sure you are either out of the church on your own
or by their force."
 
 
What J. Ford has written above is all true to my certain knowledge, and I
think it is important to note (lest we get distracted by the Christ Church
smokescreen) that the topic at hand is NOT the private business of Mrs.
Dickison being made public by J. Ford.  Doug Wilson, it would seem, long
since beat J. Ford to that particular punch.  The topic appropriate for this
list is the hypocrisy, the abuse, and the pulpit-bullying that has/is/and
will continue to take place at Christ Church so long as the parishioners on
the inside and those of us on the outside who know this is going on but
choose to turn a blind eye allow it to continue.  We have an obligation to
denounce Doug; to denounce this behavior; and to stretch out our hands to
those who want to leave this grotesque imitation of Christianity and breathe
the free air.  
 
Many of Doug's parishioners remain there under duress, in fear, and subject
to the public announcement (or denouncement) of their private travails.  You
don't need to have spent time among the Moonies to recognize this as cult
behavior, and we don't need to wait for Doug to shave his head, don an
orange dress, and pass out copies of Southern Slavery As It Was at the
Moscow-Pullman Airport to call this a travesty of good gospel order.
 
The private bombardment by Doug's minions (who my radio DJ friend in Durham,
NC, Washboard Dave of the Bull City Cosmic Hoe-Down has taken to calling the
Dug-Up Dougs for their zombie-like obedience to the whims of the Big 'Un)
has already begun.  I received my first two "private note" cyber-spankings
last night.  Like I give a rip.  So much for the whited sepulchres of Christ
Church.  Is it any wonder when the shitten shepherd has shitten sheep?
 
To be silent is to assent  And when have I ever been silent?
 
Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
 
PS: No offense to genuine followers of the Krishna, but I ask you, who could
resist a crack like Hairy Krishnas?  There are more beards than brains in
Doug's inner circle, and I, for one, have yet to see any evidence of
indepence of thought in the Elders' hive mind.
 
PPS: Bite me, Doug Jones.