[Vision2020] Discrimination and the Trinity Fest

[Donovan Arnold]

Mr. Meyer,

Are you serious, sane, and sober?

Anyone else NOT find it ironic that these four 
statements appear in the same email:

"Unfortunately some of us like to hear ourselves speak
but make little sense when we do."

"For instance, the indignation and foaming at the
mouth about inhibition of Christ Church's free speech
rights is absolutely ludicrous."

"Nobody is limiting the speech of Christ Church."

"Why for instance, aren't we talking about how the
University of Idaho could protect itself from another
Trinity Festival?"

Was this email suppose to be a joke Mr. Meyer? Because
I cannot get my mind around the idea that someone
would say we are NOT limiting the free speech of a
group then later suggest ways to do so in the same
email. 

Get this Mr. Meyer: I do not want to prevent anyone
from renting the Kibbie Dome. NOBODY! Even ugly people
that I disagree with and have horns and a tail. And
either do people that believe in a free country. If
someone does not want to hear what they have to say
they can choose not to attend and listen, that is
their right too. 

What you are suggesting is exactly what North Idaho
College did in 1994 to try and keep the Lesbian, Gay,
and Bisexual Alliance (LGBA) from forming and meeting
by changing the rules with the intent of purposely
excluding one group of people. That is called ILLEGAL
Mr. Meyer. If you were an administrator at UI that
would be grounds for dismissal. 

Furthermore, Mr. Meyer, who begs for the application
of logic, it does not do squat for preventing Christ
Church from meeting now that UI has already
established them as a non-profit without also hurting
the largest student groups at UI.

Explain the logic of fighting for equality by treating
other as unequal? 

I am also curious Mr. Meyer, if you can explain to me
how filing a legal complaint about people celebrating
worship with wine during communion has anything to do
with fighting bigotry?

I am willing to bet we would do a better job of
advancing equality if we treated everyone equally,
made friends with the people we disagree with and made
arguments against the reasons for their bigotry rather
than treating them unequally and attacking them
personally.

Attack the bigotry in people, not the people with
bigotry.

MLK Jr., Gandhi, and Jesus Christ never attacked the
individuals that practiced injustices, just the
injustices.

Peace out,

Donovan J Arnold 



--- Jim Meyer <m1e2y3e4 at moscow.com> wrote:

> It takes all kinds to make the world go 'round.
> Unfortunately some of us 
> like to hear ourselves speak but make little sense
> when we do. I am 
> speaking of the self-important commentary of late on
> this list. You know 
> what I mean, the commentary that serves little
> productive purpose except 
> to prove that some of us are capable of wrapping 
> legs around an idea 
> and making love to it while disregarding all
> logic--but at the same time 
> getting  some kind of salacious thrill from the
> public display of 
> self-righteous indignation. Gadfly is the word that
> comes my mind and 
> seems aptly descriptive.
> 
> For instance, the indignation and foaming at the
> mouth about inhibition 
> of Christ Church's free speech rights is absolutely 
> ludicrous.The  
> community has every right to comment on Christ
> Church's actions/words 
> and doing so is not an infringement of their free
> speech rights. It is 
> high drama to say that you would fight for Christ
> Church's right to say 
> whatever, but actually as long as none of us are
> doing things like 
> falsely yelling fire in a crowded theater or looking
> up library records 
> without a warrant, or inciting violence, then we are
> ALL exercising our 
> right to free speech (especially when the discussion
> is limited to just 
> the facts). Nobody is limiting the speech of Christ
> Church.
> 
> Sadly, some of us would rather puff ourselves up and
> waste everyone's 
> time than calmly discuss the facts while working
> together to better the 
> community. Why for instance, aren't we talking about
> how the University 
> of Idaho could protect itself from another Trinity
> Festival? 
> 
> Here's an idea for you. Why not suggest to the
> University that it 
> require an IRS form 990 to be submitted to prove
> non-profit status (for 
> any organization of sufficient size not to be
> exempt) that wants to use 
> University facilities as a non-profit organization? 
> A student group is 
> too small to need to fill out a 990 form but, for
> instance, Christ 
> Church is large enough. The Shriners have no problem
> proving non-profit 
> status by a 990 form and Christ Church would have
> the option to fill one 
> out (or not) and use the facilities (or not). An IRS
> 990 form is a fair 
> way for both the County and University to have at
> least some proof of 
> non-profit status prior to giving discounts or tax
> breaks.
> 
> Jim Meyer
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
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