[Vision2020] Student Organizations at UI

[Donovan Arnold]

Mr. Rigsby,

I never stated that UI paid 100% of the cost of
student organizational events. I did not say it was
free. I said that UI donated the use of some
government property to religious organizations. Which
is true and verifiable.

The room that you used is, at least in part, was paid
for by the state government. This is undeniable fact.
The equipment that you used was at a reduced rate as
well. This is donation and free use. 

To state that because the student groups pay a fee to
ASUI and thus that is why they get a lesser rate is in
part true because those fees subsidized the purchase
of the equipment. But that same concept can be applied
to CC members who pay income taxes and sales taxes
that go to pay for the state property they are using.

You cannot have the UI donate to some religious groups
and then disallow it for another religious group when
you do not like the religion. The same rules must
apply for everyone. 

Donovan J Arnold

--- TIM RIGSBY <tim.rigsby at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Donovan:
> 
> "Your interpretation means that the UI violated the
> law
> by giving the Muslim Student Association, Campus
> Crusade for Christ, and about a dozen other student
> religious organizations donated use of UI rooms,
> equipment, and furnishings, which it does almost
> everyday of the school year.
> 
> Are you suggesting that the UI stop donating the use
> of rooms, chairs, audio and visual equipment,
> bulletin
> boards and use of copy machine for advertising,
> employees to set up arrangements, and access to
> computers to religious student organizations? Or are
> you saying that just the religious groups you
> approve
> of should have access to state owned property?
> Should
> I notify the Muslim Student Organization and other
> Student groups through the ASUI Activities and
> Events
> Coordinators of your intentions? If the UI donates
> equipment and services to other religious
> organizations it certainly can also do so for Christ
> Church as well, and not to would be practicing
> discrimination."
> 
> As a former student leader of an ASUI registered and
> recognized student 
> organization I noticed some flaws in your previous
> comment.  When the club I 
> was president of, PESSHA, hosted Drs. Tim  and Karen
> White to speak, we had 
> to reserve a room in the Commons.  If we wanted to
> change the seating 
> arrangement we had to pay a fee, if we wanted to use
> an overhead we had to 
> pay a fee, if we wanted to use any technology other
> than a flip chart we had 
> to pay a fee.  So basically when you state for fact
> that UI donates services 
> nearly everyday to student groups you are not
> telling the truth.  Where was 
> the donation of these services to the group I was
> head of when we hosted UI 
> President and First Lady, Drs. Tim and Karen White?
> 
> Also, in order to support student organizations it
> seems as though a portion 
> of student fees goes towards ASUI.  In order to
> become eligible for these 
> ASUI student fees, a club must be recognized and
> registered with ASUI 
> Student Orgs.  So in a way, the student fees that
> are paid by the students 
> in a particular group or club go towards the use of
> rooms in the commons, 
> sub, and anywhere else on campus.
> 
> As far as copy services are concerned, our
> department sponsored our club as 
> well and allotted our club a certain amount of
> copies.  Anything in color, 
> oversized, or otherwise not available in our
> department, was paid for by our 
> club.  I understand that Student Orgs had a copy
> machine available and a 
> large format printer, however, nine times out of
> ten, one or both of these 
> machines were inoperable.  Then again, student fees
> also went to the payment 
> of these copy services too.  I could not go to the
> copy center and get 
> copies for free if these machines were unavailable,
> now could I?
> 
> Bottom line is, I pay student fees, you pay student
> fees, every student pays 
> student fees, and we receive a lot of amenities. 
> Does everyone approve of 
> the amenities received? No.  Do all of the students
> who pay student fees use 
> every opportunity that come there way? No again. 
> But in the end, the pot of 
> student fees gets used by the community of students
> for the better good of 
> campus life.  Virtually all students benefit by the
> use of ASUI student fees 
> and by the presence of student clubs and
> organizations.
> 
> Donovan, remember the old saying that there is no
> such thing as a free 
> lunch, someone always pays.
> 
>
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