[Vision2020] CJ's Security System

[TIM RIGSBY]

I just hope that CJ's will make the public aware of this device before 
people enter the door.  The public needs to know what the computer actually 
records.

Tim

P.S. It's not like patrons of CJ's are trying to take a bank loan out, board 
a place, rent a car, or make an insurance claim.  All they want to do is 
drink alcohol and have a good time.

>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: "'TIM RIGSBY'" <tim.rigsby at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] CJ's Security System
>Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:05:19 -0700
>
>I agree, Tim.
>
>Any time a person's social security number (SSN) is requested, sought 
>after,
>or recorded, I believe that a disclosure statement is required on behalf of
>the party requesting or recording the SSN.  Idaho's drivers' licenses once
>listed the SSN.  That practice has since terminated as a result of the
>privacy issue (I assume).
>
>If CJ's wishes to expend the money, time, and effort to install and 
>maintain
>such a system, so be it.  Mingles has Henry Weinhard's Private Reserve on
>tap.  John's Alley has a large selection of beer on tap (plus live music).
>And there is always The Garden.
>
>Simply put:  Too many better options for my taste.
>
>Cheers, Moscow.
>
>Tom Hansen
>
>We could learn a lot from crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty, some 
>are
>dull, some have weird names, and all are different colors....but they all
>exist very nicely in the same box.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of TIM RIGSBY
>Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:45 PM
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] CJ's Security System
>
>Visionaries:
>
>I was informed recenlty about the new security feature at CJ's night club.
>As I was told, this new service takes the patrons ID and scans the
>information into a laptop computer that sits right next to the door.  Not
>only does it take the information off of the ID, a camera located somewhere
>near by also takes your picture as you walk in.
>
>After hearing this I had to check it out.  Since I have only been to the
>joint maybe five times in my college career, I would have never discovered
>this.  This should be a cause for concern for the residents of Moscow,
>especially the college population since recording personal information off
>of ID cards is not my idea of safety.
>
>I appluad Phil and Shelly for trying to make Moscow a safer place when kids
>are drunk but I am a little concerned with the idea of recording the
>information of the patrons that enter their bar.  I think that students and
>patrons of CJ's should be slightly concerned about this ID scanning machine
>and I hope Phil and Shelly can inform the public about this process in more
>detail.
>
>It seems to me that by recording the information of your patrons who may 
>not
>
>otherwise know what the machine is doing, is a sort of invasion of privacy.
>
>Since I don't know how the system works, all I can do is hypothesize about
>the potential implications surrounding such a service.
>
>Based upon my scanned entry into CJ's, I noticed that the machine recorded
>my name, address, phone number, picture, and the frequency of visits to 
>CJ's
>
>by me.  I can only assume based upon this experience that this machine just
>created a file with my name on it and everytime I enter the bar, it will
>notify CJ's about my presence.  Since I have nothing to worry about being 
>in
>
>CJ's, other than who would see me there, I really should not be concerned.
>However, such a display of information gathering equipment makes me feel a
>little uneasy.  CJ's does not need to know my name, address, phone number,
>or frequency of attendance in order to better serve my needs.  They serve 
>my
>
>needs just fine, if my needs were to get drunk and listen to crappy 
>kareoke,
>
>without the added personal information.  A friend of mine, not from Idaho,
>has her Social Security number on her ID card as required by the state of
>issue.  Now that she has entered CJ's can we assume that her SS number is
>also on file?
>
>It seems to me that Phil and Shelly have some explaining to do about this
>new service that they require.
>
>Tim
>
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