[Vision2020] An Open Letter [Continuing the Thread]

[Donovan Arnold]

-- Saundra Lund wrote:

"The UI- an educational institution -- was denied the
opportunity to locate downtown due to zoning code,"

It was!?! When did the UI try to relocate downtown?
Second, why would it want to move locations? I always
thought that UI started before there was a downtown
zoning code that established the term "educational
institution." I also was under the impression that UI
did own and operate buildings downtown since UI
employees work there and have phone numbers that start
with (208)885-.

I guess we learn something new everyday.

Donovan J Arnold



> Hi Phil,
> 
> I really hesitate to wade further into this fray,
> but I'm going to make a
> couple of comments.
> 
> First, Phil, what in heaven's name is wrong with
> expecting our laws to be
> enforced?!  The UIUI- an educational institution --
> was denied the
> opportunity to locate downtown due to zoning code,
> so why shouldn't NSNSAave
> to follow the rules?  BuBucer'sa for profit
> business, pays its property
> taxes, so why should ZuZumesa for profit business,
> get the benefit of a
> property tax exemption?  An elderly friend on a
> fixed income (and definitely
> in need of some extra income due in part to
> skyrocketing property taxes)
> with some extra bedrooms would like rent out those
> rooms but can't because
> of the parking issue, so why should others not have
> to follow those same
> rules?
> 
> Do you *really* think that any one religion or its
> leaders or followers
> should get "special" or preferential treatment??? 
> That certainly seems to
> be what you are saying:  Christ Church shouldn't
> have to follow the same
> laws other churches and citizens have to follow.
> 
> Second, I'd like to know what makes you think it's
> OK to stereotype all who
> value those terribly lofty ideals of justice,
> equity, fairness and religious
> freedom (otherwise known as the separation of church
> & state) with the same
> brush?  It should come as no surprise to you to
> learn people are
> *individuals*, and that includes those of us who
> aren't willing to turn a
> blind eye to what appears to be a blatant disregard
> by some (certainly *not*
> all Christ Church members by any stretch of the
> imagination) for the rules
> the rest of us follow.
> 
> OK, I admit it:  this is a hot button for me. 
> ***I'm*** responsible for
> what I think and believe . . . and post -- don't
> blame one bit of it on any
> "group" of "friends" or otherwise of which you
> perceive me to be a member
> (BTW, your perception would likely be wrong). 
> Similarly, don't hold me
> responsible for what others who might agree with me
> on *one* area think or
> believe or write.  That would be like me saying,
> "Oh, because Phil NiNisbets
> Dale Courtney's new best buddy, they agree on
> *everything*."  That wouldn't
> be very fair, would it?  Yet, that seems to be
> something that you think is
> perfectly OK with respect to those who object to
> special treatment for
> Christ Church.
> 
> Third, ***PLEASE*** tell me who has said that they
> want Christ Church run
> out of town.  That is a claim I've seen thrown
> around a bit (Wilson thinks
> it plays well), but it's not something I've ever
> seen given attribution.  My
> memory isn't perfect, but the only person I can
> recall that might have said
> something like that would be Doug StStamblerand *no
> one* except God will
> claim him <g>.  Cite your source, please, Phil, or
> quit stating it to be
> fact.
> 
> Finally, you made reference to some boycott . . .
> please provide more
> details because I'm genuinely unaware of any local
> boycotts other than those
> I posted about previously
>
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> Certainly, Phil, you don't want to tell me I *have*
> to patronize ZuZumes> rather than WhWheatberriesr
BuBucer'sather than
> Starbucks or One World Cafe,
> do you?
> 
> Or, do you???
> 
> 
> TIA,
> Saundra LuLund> Moscow, ID
> 
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is
> for good people to do
> nothing.
> Edmund Burke
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at momoscowom
> [mamailtoision2020-bounces at momoscowom]
> On Behalf Of Phil NiNisbet> Sent: Monday, 13 June
2005 9:46 AM
> To: vision2020 at momoscowom
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Open Letter [Continuing
> the Thread]
> 
> kekeely> 
> I do not think that you are on the same wave length
> as Wayne and several
> others.  The reality is that some in the anti-CC
> camp are only too willing
> to take governmental action against them.  That is
> where the slippery slope
> leading to what NiNiemoellerescribed leads.
> 
> If all you intend is to correct the errors from you
> peoples religious faith
> with another sect of your religion, you do not need
> to try to force their
> schools out, you do not need to try to have them
> charged with violations of
> zoning codes, or try to push them out of holding
> meetings or any of the
> rest.
> 
> The Moscow Civic Association is not some powerless
> little band of Brothers.
> 
> I know that for a fact.  They throw a meeting and
> the politicians come
> running.  They complain that the CCCCersre planning
> on holding some
> conference at U of I, yet in the same breathe, crow
> that they have rented
> the KeKenworthyo air their own films condemning the
> CCCCersto benefit their
> radio show that touts their political views.
> 
> And kekeelyI do not agree with the ideas that the
> CCCCersave and think it
> pretty easy to show them that their ideas are not
> correct.  But I will be
> damned if I will see the government brought in as a
> vehicle to susupress> ananybody'sdeas or religion. 
That is the path that
> leads to National
> Socialism and not to your suggested final solution.
> 
> Phil NiNisbet> 
> 
>
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