[Vision2020] An Open Letter

Sat Jun 11 18:41:11 PDT 2005

Normal People,

The post from Andreas is right on target.  

Combine this with material submitted several times showing that the Cult Master and his ovine, mesmerized flock believe that stoning to death is the proper treatment for a whole host of people -- perhaps 80% or more of the world's population.  [Without recycling, there may not be enough stones of the proper size for this task!]

Here are the views of the Christ Church Cult as expressed by Gregor Dickison, Cult Attorney, and agreed to by the Cult Master in several places including an article in the LMT -- "We should never be ashamed of anything in the bible."

http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm

"The civil magistrate is the minister of God to execute wrath on the wrongdoer (Rom. 13:4). God has not left his civil minister without guidance on how to exercise his office. The Scriptures set forth clear standards of judgment for many offenses. Capital crimes, for example, include premeditated killing (murder), kidnapping, sorcery, bestiality, adultery, homosexuality, and cursing one's parents..."

"In contemporary American jurisprudence, none of these offenses is punishable by death, with the occasional exception of murder. The magistrates have dispensed with God's standards of justice. Some Christians believe this is an improvement. They would be horrified to think that the "harsh" penalties of the law should still be applied. Sometimes this is the result of the mistaken belief that the Old Testament has no further application after the advent of Christ. This is an exegetical problem. Too often, it is the result of a sinful view of the criminal. This sin is called pity."

"If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods,". . . you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; but you shall surely kill him..."  [Heresy:  Beware, ye not of the cult!]

"If two men fight together, and the wife of one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of the one attacking him, and puts out the hand and seizes him by the genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall not pity her..."  [Defending one's husband.]

God commands the judge to evaluate the crime rather than the criminal. If the crime is one for which God requires death, then death must be the punishment. Your eye shall not pity. Neither is the repentance of the accused relevant to the imposition of the sentence.  [Somehow it appears that Gregor has missed the central message of Jesus.]

"Thus, the Bible teaches that pity is not an option where God has decided the matter. The [civil] magistrate, God's minister, is to faithfully execute justice according to God's standard, not man's...  This means that we must return to an obedience which confines pity within the bounds which God has established for us."

Let's see:  Murder (by even a child), kidnapping, sorcery, bestiality, adultery, homosexuality, cursing one's parents, heresy, defending one's husband, etc. should be punished by death (by stoning) according to Gregor and by the extension of the Cult Master's statements, all of the Christ Church Cult.  

All these rules are established by the Cult Master's exclusive version of his alleged god, not one of the thousands (millions?) of other alleged gods, and with no accepted, successful method to decide which of these alleged gods, if any, is/are the real one(s).

Are these the views of mentally healthy adults?

Would you want to live anywhere where they (the Christ Church Cult) were in control?

Andreas writes:

"What is crazy is not that people object to this: what is crazy is that we, which is to say, Moscow and Latah County, are electing people who subscribe to this set of beliefs to public office. What is crazy is that we're taking their openly hypocritical cries for tolerance seriously."

Tell us, Donovan, how intolerant we are when:

"In Doug's America, you're first against the wall."

Tolerance can end when ideas are expressed and argued for, for if those ideas do not survive critical examination they ought not be tolerated, especially if Draconian.  

Tolerance is not the uncritical acceptance of anything let alone the acceptance and/or permissive ignoring of the sociopsychological, logically/epistemologically unsound, superstitious dicta from an obscenely ambitious, dishonest/hypocritical, but  small-minded/relatively ignorant small town parson.

Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
deco at moscow.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
To: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Open Letter

> Another great quote, straight from the horse's mouth, is:
> 
> "Reforming the State is not about forcing people to be Christians. But
> it is about forcing people to outwardly conform to a Christian
> standard and about protecting the Christian religion. Historically,
> the civil magistrate has enforced laws against blasphemy, apostasy,
> heresy, swearing, and working on the Sabbath. The difficulty is not in
> defining or punishing these crimes; the difficulty is finding the
> strength and wisdom to do so."
> 
> That's right. Are you a Muslim? A Jew? A Hindu? Agnostic? How about a
> Quaker or Methodist? How about a Reformed Christian who doesn't
> believe in pedobaptism -- a belief which Doug has repeatedly referred
> to as "heretical?" In Doug's America, you're first against the wall.
> What is crazy is not that people object to this: what is crazy is that
> we, which is to say, Moscow and Latah County, are electing people who
> subscribe to this set of beliefs to public office. What is crazy is
> that we're taking their openly hypocritical cries for tolerance
> seriously.
> 
> Tolerance is a virtue. I take appeals to my tolerance seriously, and
> apprecate people who bring my lack of tolerance to my attention.
> Infinite tolerance, however -- whether it's tolerating the mugger
> who's got a pistol under your nose or agreeing to buy coffee whose
> profits are devoted to preaching your own execution -- is crazy. No
> matter how idealistic you are, eventually, some reducio ad absurdiam
> will make you turn pragmatic. For me, this is that point.
> 
> Those who refuse to abide by core democratic principles -- among them,
> the general consent that you will not execute your political opponents
> once you attain office -- should not participate in it at all, and be
> prevented from doing so if at all possible by those voters that
> actually care about its nhealth.
> 
> -- ACS
> 
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