[Vision2020] To Rose Husky

Mon Jul 25 18:38:28 PDT 2005

Tom,

Am I loseing it here?  If Saundra and Rose are out to convert Doug's kids it 
has anything to do with me?  Tom, Which part of I am a JEW did you miss?  
You christian types show up at my doors trying to convert me to something 
all the time.  Want to do a real public service, get the missionaries to 
stop showing up at my doors.  Heck I would not trust any of you people 
around my kids.

I meant what I said.  Passover (Pesach) is a Jewish Holiday and we do serve 
wine at it.  I would think that with a Jewish Daughter in Law Rose would be 
sensitive to that fact.  What your the law is the law standard does is 
selectively bar certain cultures from renting space from public facilities.  
That is not about diversity, but is instead a very anti-diversity thing to 
do.

Phil Nisbet

>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: "'Phil Nisbet'" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] To Rose Husky
>Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:04:57 -0700
>
>What you fail to realize, Mr. Nisbet, is that the consumption of alcohol by
>minors, although illegal, is a side issue.  The bottom line is that the
>Trinity Fest 2005 SHOULD NOT be conducted in the ASUI Kibbie Activity 
>Center
>(a state funded facility) according to the Idaho state constitution and the
>Idaho State Board of Education.  We have discussed this several times
>earlier.
>
>Suddenly, as if it were some clandestine covert operation, you (and Doug
>Wilson) are claiming that Rose Huskey and Saundra Lund are out to convert
>children away from Christianity by refusing them (the children) communion.
>That claim has no more value than worm dung,
>
>All that Rose Huskey and Saundra Lund (along with many other local 
>citizens)
>are asking is that management at Anselm House play the game according to 
>the
>same rules we ALL must follow.
>
>An analogy:  If you were driving by Moscow High School during the week at 
>30
>miles per hour, you would think, "It's only a little over the speed limit.
>Certainly nobody will stop me for that."  Then comes Saturday and you are
>driving 35 MPH by Moscow High School and thinking, "Schools is not open on
>Saturday.  There are no children to be concerned about. Certainly nobody
>will stop me for going just a little more over the speed limit."  This
>slowly progresses until you are driving 45 MPH by Moscow High School on a
>Wednesday morning, when one of Moscow's finest pulls you over and tickets
>you for speeding.  Your excuse:  "You never stopped me before, officer."
>
>It really is just that simple, Mr. Nisbet.  Rules are rules.  When 
>something
>is wrong, it is wrong.  Or do you seriously believe that a woman can be 
>just
>a little pregnant?
>
>Cowboy up, Moscow.
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
>
>"When you earnestly believe you can compensate for a lack of skill by
>doubling your efforts, there's no end to what you can't do."
>
>- Author Unknown
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of Phil Nisbet
>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:14 PM
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] To Rose Husky
>
>I sent this offline, but seem to be blocked or more likely to be barred 
>from
>
>such a contact, though Rose sent me an offline message.  I am sending this
>to her on V2020 because I do want her to understand why I was concerned.
>
>From: Phil Nisbet <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>To: DonaldH675 at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Marshmellows anyone?
>Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 4:50 PM
>Rose
>
>I note that this was not posted to V2020, so I will reciprocate.
>
>My concern is that JCP does indeed occasionally hold Pesach Seders either
>down at the Skate Park on City Ground rented for that purpose or up on
>campus.  I am not aware that a liquor licences has ever been obtained, 
>since
>
>its a who the heck woud think to do it kind of thing for a seder dinner.
>
>After a kid is 13, they are free to have the wine, since it is the date of
>adult religious obligation.
>
>We Jews only have a few times in the year when we have wine associated with
>a religious observance, but what you call Passover (Pesach) is the big 
>event
>
>and one in which the observation of the ceremony requires kids to be 
>present
>
>and in which membership of the community is confirmed and affirmed for all
>those who have reached the religious age of consent.
>
>The weekly christian observance of 'communion' uses a mouthful of wine or a
>tiny sip, which is one heck of a lot less wine than we use for Pesach.  I
>assume that if you oppose the CCers use of even a mouthful of wine for 
>those
>
>under the age of 21, you would be forced to follow suit with JCP should we
>ever hold a seder on public property.  This is particularly unfortunate,
>since I think that plans exist for having a seder to which non-Jews would 
>be
>
>invited
>
>I am not picking a fight with you guys on the issue of disagreement with
>Doug Wilson's ideas regarding Southern Slavery.  I am not picking a fight
>with you guys regarding his stand against gays.  I am disagreeing with a
>tactic which tends to diminish the freedom of others while leaving the real
>issues off the table.
>
>By turning the issue into a matter of zoning complaints and communion wine,
>you diminish your arguements, make them seem petty.  Further, you end up
>hurting other people not involved in the dispute, including the Jewish
>Community and some of the other schools that were not NSA and operating in
>the downtown.
>
>Denial that southern slavery was not a cruel and evil institution is 
>similar
>
>to holocaust denial.  But the way that holocaust denial has been largely
>defeated is education.  If you seriously want to bring that whole edifice
>down, hold a show on the realities of southern slavery, the deaths in the
>slave ships and the brutal treatment accorded to slaves.  Couple that with 
>a
>
>challenge to debate in public with Wilson and the guys who support such
>nonsense.
>
>Beta Klarsfeld chastised I and several freinds in the JDL many years ago 
>for
>
>busting heads of neo-Nazis in Germany.  Her point was that Never Again is
>not about beating the Aryan types with bats, its about showing how they
>really are and causing the community to shun them.  She noted that beating
>them to a paste was actually doing them more good than harm.  Not to long
>after she harangued us on the issue, she and her husband managed to bring
>Klaus Barbe to Justice in Lyon.  It did more to defang the neo-Nazis in
>Germany than all the JDL actions we had ever taken.
>
>Phil Nisbet
>
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