[Vision2020] To Rose Husky

[Phil Nisbet]

I sent this offline, but seem to be blocked or more likely to be barred from 
such a contact, though Rose sent me an offline message.  I am sending this 
to her on V2020 because I do want her to understand why I was concerned.

From: Phil Nisbet <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
To: DonaldH675 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Marshmellows anyone?
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 4:50 PM
Rose

I note that this was not posted to V2020, so I will reciprocate.

My concern is that JCP does indeed occasionally hold Pesach Seders either 
down at the Skate Park on City Ground rented for that purpose or up on 
campus.  I am not aware that a liquor licences has ever been obtained, since 
its a who the heck woud think to do it kind of thing for a seder dinner.

After a kid is 13, they are free to have the wine, since it is the date of 
adult religious obligation.

We Jews only have a few times in the year when we have wine associated with 
a religious observance, but what you call Passover (Pesach) is the big event 
and one in which the observation of the ceremony requires kids to be present 
and in which membership of the community is confirmed and affirmed for all 
those who have reached the religious age of consent.

The weekly christian observance of 'communion' uses a mouthful of wine or a 
tiny sip, which is one heck of a lot less wine than we use for Pesach.  I 
assume that if you oppose the CCers use of even a mouthful of wine for those 
under the age of 21, you would be forced to follow suit with JCP should we 
ever hold a seder on public property.  This is particularly unfortunate, 
since I think that plans exist for having a seder to which non-Jews would be 
invited

I am not picking a fight with you guys on the issue of disagreement with 
Doug Wilson's ideas regarding Southern Slavery.  I am not picking a fight 
with you guys regarding his stand against gays.  I am disagreeing with a 
tactic which tends to diminish the freedom of others while leaving the real 
issues off the table.

By turning the issue into a matter of zoning complaints and communion wine, 
you diminish your arguements, make them seem petty.  Further, you end up 
hurting other people not involved in the dispute, including the Jewish 
Community and some of the other schools that were not NSA and operating in 
the downtown.

Denial that southern slavery was not a cruel and evil institution is similar 
to holocaust denial.  But the way that holocaust denial has been largely 
defeated is education.  If you seriously want to bring that whole edifice 
down, hold a show on the realities of southern slavery, the deaths in the 
slave ships and the brutal treatment accorded to slaves.  Couple that with a 
challenge to debate in public with Wilson and the guys who support such 
nonsense.

Beta Klarsfeld chastised I and several freinds in the JDL many years ago for 
busting heads of neo-Nazis in Germany.  Her point was that Never Again is 
not about beating the Aryan types with bats, its about showing how they 
really are and causing the community to shun them.  She noted that beating 
them to a paste was actually doing them more good than harm.  Not to long 
after she harangued us on the issue, she and her husband managed to bring 
Klaus Barbe to Justice in Lyon.  It did more to defang the neo-Nazis in 
Germany than all the JDL actions we had ever taken.

Phil Nisbet

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