[Vision2020] 07 05 05 Ny Times: UnitedChurchofChristBacksSame-Sex
Marriage
Carl Westberg
carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com
Wed Jul 13 09:07:35 PDT 2005
Donovan writes: "In less than 30 years the majority of the population will
agree with gay marriage and the majority that once disagreed with it will be
dead or too old to care." Time wounds all heels?
Carl Westberg Jr.
>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: Art Deco <deco at moscow.com>, Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 07 05 05 Ny Times:
>UnitedChurchofChristBacksSame-Sex Marriage
>Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:34:19 -0700 (PDT)
>
>"I am disappointed that some of the so-called
>libertarians on this list have not responded to this
>argument."--Wayne Fox
>
>I think it is just that Pat Kraut has no control over
>who gets married. Nor did she make an argument.
>
>The majority of people over 45 do not agree with
>homosexual marriage. They are not going to change
>their minds.
>
>The majority of people under 45 support gay marriage
>or civil unions. So to me, there is no sense arguing
>about it. In less than 30 years the majority of
>population will agree with gay marriage and the
>majority that once disagreed with it will be dead or
>too old to care.
>
>Trying to change the mind of people on this issue is
>pointless. Someone born in 1920, 1930, or even 1940 in
>the United States is unlikely to go against 40-80
>years of religious and cultural upbringing. Time will
>solve this problem.
>
>Donovan J Arnold
>
>
>
>
>--- Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> > I am disappointed that some of the so-called
> > libertarians on this list have
> > not responded to this argument. Or is the concept
> > of individual liberty,
> > choice, and aspiration in its death throes?
> >
> > W.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
> > To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 07 05 05 Ny Times: United
> > ChurchofChristBacksSame-Sex Marriage
> >
> >
> > > If they can convince us that this has been a
> > normal practice throughout
> > > history then they think they can justify their
> > actions today and 'prove'
> > > that the stand against homesexuality is wrong is
> > our problem. It is the
> > > argument of a thirteen year old...'everybody else
> > is doing it'. If it is
> > > wrong I don't care who else did it and just being
> > famous is not reason
> > > enough to follow the beliefs of anyone.
> > > PK
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> > > To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>; "'Pat
> > Kraut'" <pkraut at moscow.com>;
> > > "'vision2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 12:52 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] 07 05 05 Ny Times:
> > United Church
> > > ofChristBacksSame-Sex Marriage
> > >
> > >
> > > Not that it makes any difference, but I would
> > question some 20 plus of the
> > > names on your list being accurate. Some were great
> > people some were
> > > scoundrels. Whether they were homosexual is
> > debatable. You may be right, I
> > > don't know. Lord Byron was a notoriouss womanizer.
> > He may not have had a
> > > preference, I don't know. There were accusations
> > against J. Edgar Hoove
> > > made
> > > by his enemies. I don't know that they have been
> > shown to be any thing
> > > more
> > > than accusations made to discredit him. I have
> > never seen anything on
> > > Eleanor Roosevelt or about 20 other people on you
> > list. Against that
> > > doesn't
> > > mean anything.
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com
> > > Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 06:48:42 -0700
> > > To: "'Pat Kraut'" pkraut at moscow.com
> > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] 07 05 05 Ny Times:
> > United Church of
> > > ChristBacksSame-Sex Marriage
> > >
> > >> You may be on to something there, Ms. Kraut.
> > >>
> > >> We certainly cannot have our children growing up
> > thinking (or for that
> > >> matter, believing) that homosexuals are people
> > with human emotions.
> > >>
> > >> We must identify homosexuals and eliminate them.
> > It's the moral thing to
> > >> do. Right, Ms. Kraut?
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps another concept we should adapt
> > concerning our children is "Out
> > >> of
> > >> sight, out of mind." We should purge any and all
> > documents, films,
> > > photos,
> > >> etc. etc. that depict any of the following
> > homosexuals. After all, it is
> > >> only right.
> > >>
> > >> This list is not all inclusive, just a mere
> > spattering of homosexuals in
> > >> history. You've got to start somewhere.
> > >>
> > >> Right, Ms. Kraut?
> > >>
> > >> *Macedonian Ruler, 300 B.C.
> > >> Socrates
> > >> *Greek Philosopher, 400 B.C.
> > >> Sappho
> > >> *Greek Woman Poet, 600 B.C.
> > >> Hadrian
> > >> *Roman Emperor, 1st-2nd c.
> > >> Richard the Lionhearted
> > >> *English King, 12th c.
> > >> Saladin
> > >> *Sultan of Egypt and Syria
> > >> Desiderius Erasmus
> > >> *Dutch Monk, Philosopher
> > >> Francis Bacon
> > >> *English statesman, author
> > >> Frederick the Great
> > >> *King of Prussia
> > >> Lord Byron
> > >> *English poet, 18th c.
> > >> Walt Whitman
> > >> *U.S. poet, author, 19th c.
> > >> Oscar Wilde
> > >> *Irish author, 19th c.
> > >> Marcel Proust
> > >> *French author, 20th c.
> > >> Colette
> > >> *French author, 20th c.
> > >> Gertrude Stein
> > >> *U.S. poet, author, 20th c.
> > >> Alice B. Toklas
> > >> *U.S. author, 20th c.
> > >> Federico Garcia Lorca
> > >> *Spanish author, 20th c.
> > >> Cole Porter
> > >> *U.S. composer, 20th c.
> > >> Virginia Woolf
> > >> *English author, 20th c.
> > >> Leonard Bernstein
> > >> *U.S. composer, 20th c.
> > >> Pope Julius III
> > >> *1550-1555
> > >> T.E. Lawrence
> > >> *English soldier, author, 20th c.
> > >> Jean Cocteau
> > >> *French writer, director, 20th c.
> > >> Charles Laughton
> > >> *English actor, 20th c.
> > >> Marguerite Yourcenar
> > >> *Belgian author, 20th c.
> > >> Tennessee Williams
> > >> *U.S. Playwright, 20th c.
> > >> James Baldwin
> > >> *U.S. author, 20th c.
> > >> Andy Warhol
> > >> *U.S. artist, 20th c.
> > >> Michelangelo
> > >> *Italian artist, 15th c.
> > >> Leonardo Da Vinci
> > >> *Ital. Artist, scientist, 15th c.
> > >> Christopher Marlowe
> > >> *Eng. Playwright, 16th c.
> > >> Herman Melville
> > >> *U.S. author, 19th c.
> > >> Horatio Alger, Jr.
> > >> *U.S. author, 19th c.
> > >> Tchaikovsky
> > >> *Russian composer, 19th c.
> > >> Willa Cather
> > >> *U.S. author, 19th c.
> > >> Amy Lowell
> > >> *U.S. author, 19th & 20th c.
> > >> E.M. Forster
> > >> *English author, 20th c.
> > >> John M. Keynes
> > >> *English economist, 20th c.
> > >> Ludwig Wittgenstein
> > >> *Australian mathematician, 20th c.
> > >> Bessie Smith
> > >> *U.S. singer, 20th c.
> > >> Noel Coward
> > >> *English playwright, 20th c.
> > >> Christopher Isherwood
> > >> *English author, 20th c.
> > >> Pier Paolo Pasolini
> > >> *Italian film director, 20th c.
> > >> Yukio Mishima
> > >> *Japanese author, 20th c.
> > >> Eleanor Roosevelt
> > >> *U.S. stateswoman, 20th c.
> > >> Julius Caesar
> > >> *Roman Emperor, 100-44 B.C.
> > >> Augustus Caesar
> > >> *Roman Emperor
> > >> Harvey Milk
> > >> *U.S. politician, 20th c.
> > >> Bayard Rustin
> > >> *U.S. Civil Rights activist, 20th c.
> > >> James I
> > >> *English King, 16th-17th c.
> > >> Queen Anne
> > >> *English Queen, 18th c.
> > >> Marie Antoinette
> > >> *French Empress, 18th c.
> > >> Melissa Etheridge
> > >> *U.S. Rock Star, 20th c.
> > >> Pope Benedict IX
> >
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