[Vision2020] The Future

[Donovan Arnold]

J Ford,

If you are going to comment on my postings, please try
to keep up.

I did not say Doug Wilson, Roy Atwood, and Doug Jones
were disabled. Ms. Smith, to my knowledge never
attacked them. She attacked another man that had a
mental disability that use to contribute to
Vision2020. His precise diagnosis is none of your damn
business, mine, or anyone else. 

"Secondly, when are you going to discipline Doug, et
al, for THEIR attacks against Miss Rose, Miss Saundra,
Mr. Tom, etc.?"

I was unaware that Mr. Wilson attacked them. Please
link me to where he calls Miss Rose and Miss Saundra
or Mr. Hansen names, or accuses them of commission of
crimes. The only thing that I have heard from them is
defending themselves from the 10000 allegations a day
from the Nasty Nine Club. If Mr. Wilson, or any higher
ranking religious leader does make inappropriate
comments about people, like they have a "tiny brain"
or  a comment about their physical appearance, it is
wrong. And for each instance you can provide, I will
agree that it is wrong. Will you do the same for
liberal religious leader? Probably not.

Why is it, J Ford, that when religious conservatives
sneeze without covering both nostrils effectively they
are accused of attempted murder through germ warfare,
but a religious leader from the far, far, far, left
makes a blatant, unprovoked attacks on three people,
and that is considered fine?

People in the Nasty Nine Club are so busy throwing mud
and making accusations they do not realize all their
members are just as dirty as those they oppose.

Good Day,

Donovan J Arnold





--- J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> "It does when they are religious leaders making
> personal attacks on people, including the disabled,
> Ms. Kraut. Just ask the Nasty Nine Club and their
> attacks on Doug Wilson, Roy Atwood, Doug Jones,
> etc."
> 
> And their disability is....?
> 
> Secondly, when are you going to discipline Doug, et
> al, for THEIR attacks 
> against Miss Rose, Miss Saundra, Mr. Tom, etc.?  Or
> is your demand of 
> "correct behavior" selective?
> 
> J  ;)
> 
> P.S. Wasn't it YOU that bad mouthed the new Pope
> within hours of the story 
> breaking of his election?
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> >To: Pat Kraut <pkraut at moscow.com>, vision2020
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Future
> >Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 12:26:02 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Pat Kraut writes:
> >
> >"It isn't any of our business what church this
> person
> >belongs"
> >
> >It does when they are religious leaders making
> >personal attacks on people, including the disabled,
> >Ms. Kraut. Just ask the Nasty Nine Club and their
> >attacks on Doug Wilson, Roy Atwood, Doug Jones,
> etc.
> >
> >I do not think it is unreasonable to hold a
> religious
> >leader up to higher moral standards than the rest
> of
> >us, that is their job. People do it with Doug
> Wilson,
> >Bishops, the Pope, etc. So why not do it with the
> >moral leaders of Wicca and Paganism? They do not
> get a
> >free ride because they are fewer in number or have
> a
> >minority faith.
> >
> >To not hold the religious leaders of the Wicca
> faith
> >to the same ethical and social standards (setting
> >aside obvious religious differences) as Christians,
> >Jews, Muslims, and other mainstream faiths is
> >effective to say they are not to be taken
> seriously. I
> >think that is discrimination.
> >
> >"your research on an individual on this site is
> most
> >uncalled for and knowing that it can turn to anyone
> on
> >this site I believe it should end."
> >
> >Sorry you feel that way Ms. Kraut. Ms.
> Robinson-Smith
> >called attention to herself. When I do not know who
> >someone is and they start launching personal and
> gross
> >personal attacks at me, other people in the
> community,
> >and a disabled man, I am going to look up who they
> are
> >on the Internet, or ask someone "Who is this person
> >calling me names, and making fun of a disabled
> man?".
> >And if they are suppose to be a social, moral or
> >religious leader, I am going to call them on it.
> >
> >I am sorry that Ms. Kraut was unable to understand,
> >like Mr. Rigsby and J Ford, that my email was to
> the
> >good Phil Nesbit was a joke between me and him, and
> >was not offensive to him.
> >
> >But, I guess when you get use to hearing horrible
> >attacks on people, even from religious leaders, you
> >take each one seriously, rather than as a joke.
> >
> >Good Day,
> >
> >Donovan J Arnold
> >
> >
> >
> >--- Pat Kraut <pkraut at moscow.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Not only am I offended by this email but your
> > > research on an individual on
> > > this site is most uncalled for and knowing that
> it
> > > can turn to anyone on
> > > this site I believe it should end. It isn't any
> of
> > > our business what church
> > > this person belongs to, nor what church any of
> us
> > > belongs to.
> > > This is really offensive.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Donovan Arnold"
> > > <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> > > To: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>;
> > > <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 6:57 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Future
> > >
> > >
> > > Phil,
> > >
> > > You are a lowlife dumb ass ignoramus butt-face
> pea
> > > for
> > > a brain, moron, and Doug Wilson peon with a bad
> hair
> > > cut. Venom 2020 is not about building the
> community
> > > up
> > > and helping people. Venom 2020 is about tearing
> down
> > > the community and ripping people apart.
> > >
> > > They do not want unity, they want division.
> > >
> > > Venom 2020 is not about listening to people and
> > > thinking about new ideas and respecting
> opinions.
> > >
> > > It is about bashing people, especially ones that
> > > have
> > > "ideas".
> > >
> > > If people on Venom 2020 cannot bash your idea,
> or
> > > the
> > > idea is over their heads, they will simply make
> a
> > > joke
> > > about you, call you tiny brained, android, fat,
> > > ugly,
> > > mean, bigoted, evil, or a follower of a very bad
> > > religion and question your sanity.
> > >
> > > So Mr. Nibblebit, leave your rational, community
> > > uniting, "hey I want positive constructive
> community
> > > discussion", logical, non-straw-man,
> non-circular ,
> > > non-red herring, arguments off this list. They
> do
> > > not
> > > belong on Venom 2020. Only Ad Hominem personal
> > > attacks
> > >  carry weight on Venom 2020.
> > >
> > > If Moscow and Latah are going to have a
> positive,
> > > constructive, and meaningful future, Venom 2020
> is
> > > going to have no part in it!
> > >
> > > So grow a brain, get a face-lift, and get a
> life,
> > > you
> > > worthless sorry excuse for a life. Stop with
> this
> > > nano-technology crap you nano-brain!
> > >
> > > You have no right to breath MY air in MY
> community
> > > if
> > > you do not believe as I do!
> > >
> > > Donovan J Arnold
> > >
> > > PS, For Mr. Hansen, this was a tongue in cheek
> > > email.
> > >
> > > "Reach out, reach out and CRUSH someone"--Cobra
> > > Commander.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Phil Nisbet <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> 
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