[Vision2020] The Future

Sat Jul 2 12:33:48 PDT 2005

"It does when they are religious leaders making
personal attacks on people, including the disabled,
Ms. Kraut. Just ask the Nasty Nine Club and their
attacks on Doug Wilson, Roy Atwood, Doug Jones, etc."

And their disability is....?

Secondly, when are you going to discipline Doug, et al, for THEIR attacks 
against Miss Rose, Miss Saundra, Mr. Tom, etc.?  Or is your demand of 
"correct behavior" selective?

J  ;)

P.S. Wasn't it YOU that bad mouthed the new Pope within hours of the story 
breaking of his election?

>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: Pat Kraut <pkraut at moscow.com>, vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Future
>Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 12:26:02 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Pat Kraut writes:
>
>"It isn't any of our business what church this person
>belongs"
>
>It does when they are religious leaders making
>personal attacks on people, including the disabled,
>Ms. Kraut. Just ask the Nasty Nine Club and their
>attacks on Doug Wilson, Roy Atwood, Doug Jones, etc.
>
>I do not think it is unreasonable to hold a religious
>leader up to higher moral standards than the rest of
>us, that is their job. People do it with Doug Wilson,
>Bishops, the Pope, etc. So why not do it with the
>moral leaders of Wicca and Paganism? They do not get a
>free ride because they are fewer in number or have a
>minority faith.
>
>To not hold the religious leaders of the Wicca faith
>to the same ethical and social standards (setting
>aside obvious religious differences) as Christians,
>Jews, Muslims, and other mainstream faiths is
>effective to say they are not to be taken seriously. I
>think that is discrimination.
>
>"your research on an individual on this site is most
>uncalled for and knowing that it can turn to anyone on
>this site I believe it should end."
>
>Sorry you feel that way Ms. Kraut. Ms. Robinson-Smith
>called attention to herself. When I do not know who
>someone is and they start launching personal and gross
>personal attacks at me, other people in the community,
>and a disabled man, I am going to look up who they are
>on the Internet, or ask someone "Who is this person
>calling me names, and making fun of a disabled man?".
>And if they are suppose to be a social, moral or
>religious leader, I am going to call them on it.
>
>I am sorry that Ms. Kraut was unable to understand,
>like Mr. Rigsby and J Ford, that my email was to the
>good Phil Nesbit was a joke between me and him, and
>was not offensive to him.
>
>But, I guess when you get use to hearing horrible
>attacks on people, even from religious leaders, you
>take each one seriously, rather than as a joke.
>
>Good Day,
>
>Donovan J Arnold
>
>
>
>--- Pat Kraut <pkraut at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> > Not only am I offended by this email but your
> > research on an individual on
> > this site is most uncalled for and knowing that it
> > can turn to anyone on
> > this site I believe it should end. It isn't any of
> > our business what church
> > this person belongs to, nor what church any of us
> > belongs to.
> > This is really offensive.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Donovan Arnold"
> > <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> > To: "Phil Nisbet" <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>;
> > <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 6:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Future
> >
> >
> > Phil,
> >
> > You are a lowlife dumb ass ignoramus butt-face pea
> > for
> > a brain, moron, and Doug Wilson peon with a bad hair
> > cut. Venom 2020 is not about building the community
> > up
> > and helping people. Venom 2020 is about tearing down
> > the community and ripping people apart.
> >
> > They do not want unity, they want division.
> >
> > Venom 2020 is not about listening to people and
> > thinking about new ideas and respecting opinions.
> >
> > It is about bashing people, especially ones that
> > have
> > "ideas".
> >
> > If people on Venom 2020 cannot bash your idea, or
> > the
> > idea is over their heads, they will simply make a
> > joke
> > about you, call you tiny brained, android, fat,
> > ugly,
> > mean, bigoted, evil, or a follower of a very bad
> > religion and question your sanity.
> >
> > So Mr. Nibblebit, leave your rational, community
> > uniting, "hey I want positive constructive community
> > discussion", logical, non-straw-man, non-circular ,
> > non-red herring, arguments off this list. They do
> > not
> > belong on Venom 2020. Only Ad Hominem personal
> > attacks
> >  carry weight on Venom 2020.
> >
> > If Moscow and Latah are going to have a positive,
> > constructive, and meaningful future, Venom 2020 is
> > going to have no part in it!
> >
> > So grow a brain, get a face-lift, and get a life,
> > you
> > worthless sorry excuse for a life. Stop with this
> > nano-technology crap you nano-brain!
> >
> > You have no right to breath MY air in MY community
> > if
> > you do not believe as I do!
> >
> > Donovan J Arnold
> >
> > PS, For Mr. Hansen, this was a tongue in cheek
> > email.
> >
> > "Reach out, reach out and CRUSH someone"--Cobra
> > Commander.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Phil Nisbet <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > As with so many of the organizations and
> > > institutions in the local area that
> > > lay claim to debating "The Future of Moscow", this
> > > particular list seems
> > > more pent up on airing political differences that
> > > actually talking about the
> > > kind of community anybody wants to see in the
> > > future.  Insularity and clique
> > > support in attacks on opposition seems the rule,
> > all
> > > focused on the here and
> > > now.
> > >
> > > Mark Solomon and I have posted, from two very
> > > differing views, on water
> > > resources issues.  There were very few responses
> > or
> > > discussions from that.
> > > However, there is endless discussion of the love
> > > hate relationship between
> > > various religions here and endless posts from the
> > "I
> > > Hate Bush" crowd of
> > > reposts of Editorial pages.
> > >
> > > And as the factions scream at each other here,
> > form
> > > organizations to oppose
> > > each other, battle in the papers, in hearings and
> > in
> > > the courts, what future
> > > does Moscow have?
> > >
> > > Let me give you a very concrete example of why
> > this
> > > is important.
> > >
> > > Growth in the next decade or two in the US economy
> > > is going to be based on
> > > the emergence of the field of Nanotechnology.
> > > Universities are receiving
> > > close to a billion dollars a year in support from
> > > Federal budgets to study
> > > applications in this field and industry is
> > starting
> > > to match and exceed that
> > > spending.  Moscow is a university town and while
> > > budgets are being cut in
> > > other areas, Nanotech is not being sliced down to
> > > size.
> > >
> > > So, where is the University of Idaho on
> > > Nanotechnology?  Right at the
> > > forefront, but not here in Moscow.
> > >
> > > While all here have been battling and calling
> > names,
> > > the University has
> > > quietly shipped two of the biggest growth areas of
> > > Nanotechnology right the
> > > heck out of the Moscow area.  The Bio-medical
> > > Technology side was shipped up
> > > to Post Falls, so those personnel for the
> > University
> > > do not live and
> > > contribute hare and their work will spawn nice
> > clean
> > > new spin off jobs
> > > outside of Spokane.  The Nanotechnology
> > Electronics
> > > folks are centered at a
> > > new institute in Boise and any jobs they spawn and
> > > the people working on
> > > them and the huge grants they get, all spread out
> > in
> > > Ada not Latah County.
> > >
> > > If the current community of Moscow is such a
> > > wonderful place to be, why did
> > > our areas biggest employer decide, with absolutely
> > > no community input, to
> > > ship those jobs out of the area?  Could it be that
> > > they realize there is no
> > > future here in Moscow and like rats fleeing the
> > > ship, they are sending their
> > > best and brightest to open up new locations?
> > >
> > > But what the heck, let's not discuss the future
> > > here.  Let us simply
> > > continue to back bite and back stab and name call
> > > and sh-t in our own nest.
> > > Then the last person out of the University of
> > Idaho
> > > can please remember to
> > > shut off the lights, after all, we have to
> > remember
> > > to conserve water and
> > > energy.
> > >
> > > Phil Nisbet
> > >
> > >
> >
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