[Vision2020] Re: Chas on Godwin

[Phil Nisbet]

Chas

Point taken.

One variation (As in LOL), I do think that I would worry more than your 
average bit if the child rearing book by Hitler was titled "How I was 
raised".

I have been reading Old Wine, New Flasks, by Hoffman and Schmidt, a book 
which I think Joan mentioned in a previous posting.  Great book.

One of the things that it brings up is handedness in chemistry.  It notes 
that all life on earth has specific handedness for sugars and for amino 
acids and for resulting genetic materials.  They suggest that the energy 
variation in handedness in the weak force may be responsible, but I was 
recalling conversations with RD Brown back on the old Usenet newsgroups 
discussing atmospheric origins for amino acids.  RD thought that iron nickel 
catalysts in the presence of kaolin clay particles in a CO2 rich atmosphere 
should form organic molecules inorganically and had performed a number of 
experiments to show that he could make building block chemicals in 
lightening flashes if controlled atmospheres.  The resulting materials were 
evenly handed.  I was looking recently at nanotech work on sorbtion of 
catalysts to zeolites and halloysite clays and noted that they form in 
spirals down the nanotubes.  I have to wonder if either material were used 
in preference to platelets kaolinite, if handedness would be preferential as 
observed in the planet we live on.

RD's point in our discussions was that the only way to get large amounts of 
iron nickel catalyst into the upper reaches of the stratosphere was to 
impact the early earth with large meteors.  It was an interesting mix of 
extraterrestrial origin for life versus simple planetary origins.

Phil Nisbet



>From: Chasuk <chasuk at gmail.com>
>To: Phil Nisbet <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: Chas on Godwin
>Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:40:15 -0800
>
>On 12/29/05, Phil Nisbet <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have not called anybody a Nazi.  I have noted that Heisenberg was 
>indeed
> > one.  I have noted that advocates of using the Uncertainty Principle 
>outside
> > of its probablisitic mathematical model for quantum mechanics have 
>indeed
> > used it to justify genocide.
>
>I know that you didn't call anybody a Nazi.  I'm glad that you didn't
>call anybody a Nazi.  I'm disappointed that others have been so quick
>in their accusations against you.  Still, I can't dismiss their
>concerns as glibly as I would like, because you have given them
>ammunition.
>
>If Heisenberg were noted primarily for his Nazism, and Nazism was the
>subject, it might be understandable to state: "Remember that Nazi,
>Werner Heisenberg?  He also had an interesting theory called the
>Uncertainty Principle."  However, If the Uncertainty Principle had
>been conceived to justify Heisenberg's putative Aryan philosophies,
>and the Uncertainty Principle was the subject, then I would argue that
>his Nazism was irrelevant.  Opponents of a given topic will often
>insert poisonous non sequiturs into the middle of otherwise reasonable
>discourse.  It might appear to Nick and John D that you have done
>this.  That's how it appears to me, to a degree.
>
>If Adolph Hitler wrote a book on childcare, if it was good advice,
>would it be tainted because Hitler was the author?

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