[Vision2020] Saundra's Revisionism and continuation false contexts(was RE: Bad news reporting)

[Donovan Arnold]

SAUNDRA,

I wrote this:

"Tom I know did a great deal for the Homeless people
in Moscow and has bent over backwards to pass
legislation for the University and help the students."

Tom Trail quoted me as saying this:

Supporters of Trail for Re-election(in box above)

"I support Tom Trail. He has bent over backwards for
the University and Students"--Donovan Arnold ASUI
Senator.

Do you call that an exact quote???

Really, you need to learn what a quote is. The words
were there, but not in that order, and not in that
context. That is what I said in the email. I said I
the words were correct (accurate) but it was EDITED
and taken out of context as an endorsement. If you do
not understand this you are just not that bright. You
can twist this all you want. But you know honestly
what Trail did was wrong, and he did it to not just
me.

How about if we take your name and say you endorse
Doug Wilson, would that bother you?

Take Care,

Donovan J Arnold


PS I do not fall for the "I know he has to have to
last word" routine to try and bring shame to anyone
that tries to respond to all your false information.
FACT is, if people do not respond to you either, like
many that do not, you still attack them. So there is
no proper behavior for you other then for people to do
exactly as you tell them. 



--- Saundra LuLundsssslunddadelphiaet> wrote:

> Well, if anyone cares, let's just let Vision 2020
> readers decided for
> themselves  :-)
> 
> On 8/24/2005, Donovan Arnold wrote:
> "I never complained about Mr. Trail using "MY
> WORDS". I complained about him
> NOT USING MY WORDS and putting words in my mouth I
> never said. . . You seem
> to have a pattern of getting all your information
> wrong about people and
> groups and then reporting them as facts with
> condemnation."
>
hthttp/mailman.fsfsrom/pipipermailision2020/2005-August/019721.hthtml>

> Yet, on 10/27/2004, Donovan Arnold complained:
> "I don't doubt the accuracy of the words. I did in
> fact say them."
>
hthttp/mailman.fsfsrom/pipipermailision2020/2004-October/012180.hthtml>

> So there  :-)
> 
> Since Donovan is h*ll-bent & determined to have the
> last word on EVERYTHING,
> I have little doubt he'll respond yet again.  But,
> I'm finished with his
> revisionism on this topic:  V2020 readers are quite
> capable of reading what
> he's written and making up their own minds.
> 
> 
> Saundra LuLund> Moscow, ID
> 
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is
> for good people to do
> nothing.
> Edmund Burke
> 
> ***** Original material contained herein is
> Copyright 2005, Saundra LuLund
> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
> the Vision 2020 forum
> without the express written permission of the
> author.*****
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at momoscowom
> [mamailtoision2020-bounces at momoscowom]
> On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:58 PM
> To: Saundra LuLund'vision2020'
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Bad news reporting
> 
> Ms. LuLund
> 
> Again, your information is incorrect as it usually
> is in your daily gossip
> about people in our community. 
> 
> I never complained about Mr. Trail using "MY WORDS".
> I complained about him
> NOT USING MY WORDS and putting words in my mouth I
> never said. Mr. Trail
> took an email regarding something not pertaining to
> his political office,
> added words, changed the order of the words, put
> them together, and then put
> it in a different context. He turned a "thank for
> his help on the homeless
> shelter" email into a ringing endorsement for his
> re-election. That is
> completely different than just quoting someone which
> I have no objections to
> when taken from a public site. 
> 
> If I take the words "I", "Love", and "Bush" from two
> different emails you
> wrote on Vision2020, and say in a paper, "I Love
> Bush" With your name on it
> under other quotes that say "Liberals in Moscow that
> support Bush"
> and posted it in the paper and aired in the radio
> would you agree that was a
> fair quote?
> 
> It was in fact three other people that Trail listed
> as  endorsing him that
> did not that you seem to have me confused with.
> Those quotes were correct,
> but old or
> taken out of context.   
> 
> You seem to have a pattern of getting all your
> information wrong about
> people and groups and then reporting them as facts
> with condemnation. 
> 
> 
> Donovan J Arnold
> 
> 
> --- Saundra LuLundsssslunddadelphiaet> wrote:
> 
> > [My apologies if this shows up twice -- I sent it
> a couple an hour or 
> > so ago, but it seems to have disappeared in
> cyberspace.]
> > 
> > Gee . . . I guess I would have expected Donovan
> Arnold, of all people, 
> > to have a little better understanding of the
> ethics involved given the 
> > hihissyit he pitched when Rep. Tom Trail used
> Donovan's own words from 
> > V2020 postings in a manner to which Donovan
> objected ;-) IIIIRCthe the 
> > lack of "credibility" and "integrity" were chief
> among Donovan's 
> > complaints about the practice.  But, perhaps he's
> forgotten that . .
> > . 
> > 
> > 
> > Saundra LuLund> > Moscow, ID
> > 
> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil
> is for good people to 
> > do nothing.
> > Edmund Burke
> > 
> > ***** Original material contained herein is
> Copyright 2005, Saundra 
> > LuLund
> > Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
> outside the Vision 2020 
> > forum without the express written permission of
> the
> > author.*****
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Donovan Arnold
> > [mamailtoodonovanjarnold05 at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:53 PM
> > To: Saundra LuLund'Pat Kraut'; 'vision2020'
> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Bad news reporting
> > 
> > "I also want to provide a heads-up that nothing
> posted
> > 
> > on V2020 is safe from thieves." Ms. LuLund> > 
> > Ms. LuLund
> > 
> > Are you aware that anything posted on Vision 2020
> is public property, 
> > thus nobody can steal it?
> > 
> > Air, sidewalks, and material posted on Vision2020
> is free usage for 
> > anyone that can access them.
> > 
> > Donovan J Arnold
> > 
> > --- Saundra LuLundsssslunddadelphiaet> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Pat,
> > > 
> > > Did you miss this part of the Web site you sent
> to
> > V2020?
> > > 
> > > " "Gold star mothers" is a term that came into
> > general use with the
> > > creation of the service flags used to show that
> a
> > family had a son in
> > > the service (a blue star) or a son that had died
> > in the service (a
> > > gold star covering the blue star). Mothers of
> > slain servicemen came to
> > > be known as gold star mothers. The phrase is
> > sometimes capitalized but
> > > this is incorrect because it is not the proper
> > name of any
> > > organization.
> > > ***The phrase is generic and,
> > > through customary usage has come to designate
> any
> > mother whose child
> > > has been lost in war***."
> > >
hthttp/wwwwwogoldstarmomsom/agagsmAQs/FAQs.hthtm> > >
[Emphasis is mine.  SLSL
> > > 
> > > So . . . what exactly is your complaint?  It
> seems
> > to me the usage is
> > > absolutely correct:  Cindy ShSheehanost a
> beloved
> 
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