[Vision2020] Donovan Arnold's Revisionism (was RE: Bad news
reporting)
Saundra Lund
sslund at adelphia.net
Thu Aug 25 11:57:38 PDT 2005
Well, if anyone cares, let's just let Vision 2020 readers decided for
themselves :-)
On 8/24/2005, Donovan Arnold wrote:
"I never complained about Mr. Trail using "MY WORDS". I complained about him
NOT USING MY WORDS and putting words in my mouth I never said. . . You seem
to have a pattern of getting all your information wrong about people and
groups and then reporting them as facts with condemnation."
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-August/019721.html
Yet, on 10/27/2004, Donovan Arnold complained:
"I don't doubt the accuracy of the words. I did in fact say them."
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2004-October/012180.html
So there :-)
Since Donovan is h*ll-bent & determined to have the last word on EVERYTHING,
I have little doubt he'll respond yet again. But, I'm finished with his
revisionism on this topic: V2020 readers are quite capable of reading what
he's written and making up their own minds.
Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
Edmund Burke
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-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:58 PM
To: Saundra Lund; 'vision2020'
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Bad news reporting
Ms. Lund,
Again, your information is incorrect as it usually is in your daily gossip
about people in our community.
I never complained about Mr. Trail using "MY WORDS". I complained about him
NOT USING MY WORDS and putting words in my mouth I never said. Mr. Trail
took an email regarding something not pertaining to his political office,
added words, changed the order of the words, put them together, and then put
it in a different context. He turned a "thank for his help on the homeless
shelter" email into a ringing endorsement for his re-election. That is
completely different than just quoting someone which I have no objections to
when taken from a public site.
If I take the words "I", "Love", and "Bush" from two different emails you
wrote on Vision2020, and say in a paper, "I Love Bush" With your name on it
under other quotes that say "Liberals in Moscow that support Bush"
and posted it in the paper and aired in the radio would you agree that was a
fair quote?
It was in fact three other people that Trail listed as endorsing him that
did not that you seem to have me confused with. Those quotes were correct,
but old or
taken out of context.
You seem to have a pattern of getting all your information wrong about
people and groups and then reporting them as facts with condemnation.
Donovan J Arnold
--- Saundra Lund <sslund at adelphia.net> wrote:
> [My apologies if this shows up twice -- I sent it a couple an hour or
> so ago, but it seems to have disappeared in cyberspace.]
>
> Gee . . . I guess I would have expected Donovan Arnold, of all people,
> to have a little better understanding of the ethics involved given the
> hissy fit he pitched when Rep. Tom Trail used Donovan's own words from
> V2020 postings in a manner to which Donovan objected ;-) IIRC, the the
> lack of "credibility" and "integrity" were chief among Donovan's
> complaints about the practice. But, perhaps he's forgotten that . .
> .
>
>
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
> do nothing.
> Edmund Burke
>
> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2005, Saundra
> Lund.
> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020
> forum without the express written permission of the
> author.*****
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donovan Arnold
> [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:53 PM
> To: Saundra Lund; 'Pat Kraut'; 'vision2020'
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Bad news reporting
>
> "I also want to provide a heads-up that nothing posted
>
> on V2020 is safe from thieves." Ms. Lund
>
> Ms. Lund,
>
> Are you aware that anything posted on Vision 2020 is public property,
> thus nobody can steal it?
>
> Air, sidewalks, and material posted on Vision2020 is free usage for
> anyone that can access them.
>
> Donovan J Arnold
>
> --- Saundra Lund <sslund at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Pat,
> >
> > Did you miss this part of the Web site you sent to
> V2020?
> >
> > " "Gold star mothers" is a term that came into
> general use with the
> > creation of the service flags used to show that a
> family had a son in
> > the service (a blue star) or a son that had died
> in the service (a
> > gold star covering the blue star). Mothers of
> slain servicemen came to
> > be known as gold star mothers. The phrase is
> sometimes capitalized but
> > this is incorrect because it is not the proper
> name of any
> > organization.
> > ***The phrase is generic and,
> > through customary usage has come to designate any
> mother whose child
> > has been lost in war***."
> > http://www.goldstarmoms.com/agsm/FAQs/FAQs.htm
> > [Emphasis is mine. SL]
> >
> > So . . . what exactly is your complaint? It seems
> to me the usage is
> > absolutely correct: Cindy Sheehan lost a beloved
> child in the war,
> > thus she
> > *is* a gold star mother. It actually seems pretty
> disrespectful to me
> > to try to take issue with the *correct* labeling
> of her as a gold star
> > mother
> > -- even if you disagree with her politics, I can't
> imagine that you
> > want to in any way want to trivialize or minimize
> her tragic loss.
> > I'm sure that's not your intention, so I just
> wanted to point out
> > that's how it might sound to some who don't know
> otherwise.
> >
> > BTW, Visionaries, I also want to provide a
> heads-up that nothing
> > posted on V2020 is safe from thieves. Christ
> Church's Dale Courtney
> > continues to pilfer from posts here for his
> Hate-Log, even when he's
> > been made absolutely aware that some of us don't
> want our material
> > stolen and posted for his own twisted purposes on
> his Hate-Log. Just
> > another crystal clear example of his complete lack
> of respect for the
> > wishes of those who don't share his views .
> > . .
> >
> >
> > Saundra Lund
> > Moscow, ID
> >
> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil
> is for good people to
> > do nothing.
> > Edmund Burke
> >
> > ***** Original material contained herein is
> Copyright 2005, Saundra
> > Lund.
> > Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
> outside the Vision 2020
> > forum without the express written permission of
> the
> > author.*****
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > On Behalf Of Pat Kraut
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:07 PM
> > To: vision2020
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Bad news reporting
> >
> > The news programs are all calling Cindy Sheehan a
> 'Gold Star' mother
> > as though the Gold Star mothers endorsed her
> activities.
> > http://www.goldstarmoms.com/agsm/Home/index.htm
> >
> > They don't! The media is misleading one more time.
> > PK
> >
> >
> > I can't be a Republican...I have always been
> gainfully employed!
> >
> >
>
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