[Vision2020] RE: Let's comply with all state statutes!

[Saundra Lund]

Hi Aaron,

In my book, it's never too late to stand corrected, so I stand corrected &
thank you for catching my mistake  :-)  I knew it was you who was co-signer
on the retaliatory zoning complaints, but there obviously was a lapse
between my brain & fingers -- it's not the first time, and it probably won't
be the last time, I'm sorry to say.

Thanks again for catching my error, Aaron, and my apologies to both you &
your brother for my mistake and any confusion it may have caused.

(For others who may be reading this & have not yet learned, I'd like to
point out that admitting error and making appropriate apologies are both
painless.  Not only are they the Right things to do, but I think they are
important civilities that makes communities work.  Perhaps there would be
less division in our community if some who clearly haven't learned to admit
mistakes and apologize would learn these important lessons!)


Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
-Edmund Burke

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-----Original Message-----
From: aaronrench at moscow.com [mailto:aaronrench at moscow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:21 AM
To: sslund at adelphia.net; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] RE: Let's comply with all state statutes!

Howdy there Saundra,

This comes a little late, but I thought I should clear up something you
said. I'm pretty sure that my brother, Gabe, loves the code almost as much
as I do, but he wasn't the one who co-filed the zoning complaint with Nate.
That was I, Aaron Rench. Alas, I must take full responsibility.

Cheers,
Aaron

>  Doug Farris wrote:
> "Does any one know what the state law says about same- sex marriage?  
> I'm sure that Rose and Saundra want to address these violations. For 
> after all it's all about the Code."
> 
> That's Ms. Lund to you, Doug Farris:  you are neither a friend nor an 
> acquaintance, and you and I are not on friendly terms.  We have never 
> corresponded, and we have never exchanged pleasantries; indeed, we 
> have never even met.  You've stared at me with obvious anger at public 
> meetings, but that's not the same thing.  You surely knew who I was, 
> but you lacked the courage to introduce yourself.  This, 
> unfortunately, is common behavior among Christ Church's self-styled "men
of chest."
> 
> Your nasty reputation proceeds you, Doug Farris.  I know you through 
> your vitriolic diatribes (many directed against Rose Huskey and
> myself) on Dale Courtney's blog and the wretchedness you've expressed 
> here on V2020.
> 
> There's little doubt in my mind you participate in Christ Church's 
> ugly (and I would argue un-Godly) imprecatory prayers.  For those who 
> don't know, the misguided souls who follow Doug Wilson actually pray 
> to God for evil things to happen to those, like Rose and myself, who dare
to question the Kirk.
> That's their peculiar perversion of Christianity, one I scarcely 
> recognize and that I suspect will surprise or even horrify other 
> Christians on this list.
> 
> Yes, Doug Farris:  that's Ms. Lund to you and your ilk.  Once again, 
> you are just plain wrong:  it was neither Rose nor I who ever claimed  
> any devotion to "the Code" (translation:  the laws the vast majority 
> of our community follow).  Rather, it was your false idol and pastor 
> Doug Wilson who thought he was being oh, so clever when he started 
> that particular little lie.  This lie was parroted by those foolish 
> and juvenile wannabes, Nate Wilson and Gabe Rench, when they filed 
> their retaliatory zoning complaints.  And that lie has now been 
> repeated so many times within your crowd that you actually think it true.
How sad.
> 
> I don't speak for Rose -- as we all know <g>, Rose is quite capable of 
> speaking for herself -- but our interest in the misdeeds of Wilson 
> World have nothing to do with "love of the Code," but rather with much 
> more important ideals such as justice, fairness, equal protection, and 
> the preservation of religious freedom and liberty for all, not just 
> for those who share your peculiar flavor of Christianity.  In short, 
> what we've done has been done because it's the Right thing to do.  We 
> are just as entitled to our beliefs as much as those you screech about 
> for yourself and your friends/associates.
> 
> Further, you must know a different group of gays and lesbians than do 
> I:  I don't know of a single same-sex couple in Idaho who claim that 
> their marriage is recognized by the state. Recognized by God, yes, but 
> afforded the same basic legal rights and responsibilities mandated by 
> the state for heterosexual couples?  No.  FYI, Doug Farris, it's not 
> illegal for same-sex couples to say that they are married in the eyes 
> of God, their friends and family, and themselves.  If they're not 
> married in the eyes of the state, what do you care?  You and your 
> pastor have no love for the state; far from it.  But if there's some 
> government/legal issue you think needs to be addressed, then for God's
sake, man, get off your duff and do it yourself!
> Why should Rose and I be expected to do your hateful bidding?
> 
> Why is it, Doug Farris, that your and Christ Church's thin veneer of 
> civility and respect disappears whenever those with whom you share 
> your faith are caught short?  Community members are treated with 
> courtesy, dignity, and respect only until your misdeeds are exposed.  
> Then, rather than admitting your errors, apologizing, and doing the 
> Right thing, your response is to lie, attack, threaten, and bully.
> 
> If you don't like the laws, then my suggestion is that you direct your 
> efforts towards changing them, Doug Farris:  your current modus 
> operandi is both ineffective and unseemly.  This is a democracy, and 
> it's your right to work to change those laws with which you disagree.  
> There's no need for whining, name-calling, false claims of religious 
> persecution or intolerance for those who point out your errors when 
> you're caught with your grubby fingers in the government pie.  In  
> fact, there's a word for those who get caught repeatedly breaking the  
> law, and isn't "persecuted Christian."
> 
>  May God have mercy on your soul!
> 
> 
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
> 
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to 
> do nothing.
> -Edmund Burke
> 
> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2005, Saundra Lund.
> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 
> forum without the express written permission of the author.*****