[Vision2020] Public Prayer

[Donovan Arnold]

"You have, once again, missed the point.  The Bible
Wayne cites is not "Catholic" or "Protestant" but one
of the best and most scholarly attempts at an accurate
translation of those gospels that considered essential
by most of the world's Christians and Christian 
academics." ---JO

Two points:

One, Your wrong about Young's Bible. It is not more
widely used and respected by all Christians than the
Catholic Bibles or the KJV. 

WIDELY USED TRANSLATIONS

Literal Translations:
(Word for word, most accurate)

• King James Version
• New King James Version
• New American Standard
• American Standard Version
• Revised Version
• King James II Bible
• The Holy Bible in Modern English
• Young's Literal Translation
• Jewish Publication Society

http://www.thercg.org/articles/wbtsyu.html

Two, you miss the point, and are trying to win by
dwelling on a technical point irrelevant to the
argument. Even Young's Bible does not interpret the
verse as having the same meaning as Wayne and Chas try
to apply to it. Christ prayed in public, so he was not
opposed to public gatherings for worship. To take a
position He did has no basis in reality and runs
counter to all Bibles and scholarly interpretations.

---That is argument, not how many people read Young's
Bible or what status among Catholics. 
 

Donovan J Arnold




--- Joan Opyr <joanopyr at earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> On Aug 23, 2005, at 3:42 AM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
> 
> > I am sorry that you are unable to comprehend Pat
> or my
> > point that context and wording plays a big part in
> > understand the nature and meaning a verse written
> two
> > thousand years ago in a different language, and
> some
> > Bibles just have it plain wrong. Which Bible you
> use
> > can play a big part in understanding and
> interpreting
> > a verse properly.
> >
> 
> Forgive him, Chas; he knows not what he writes. 
> Donovan, I realize 
> that attempting to explain anything to you is like
> trying to angle a 
> worm up a wildcat's ass, but what the hell?  I've
> got twenty minutes to 
> kill before I go into to town for a blood draw.  (My
> physician is Count 
> Dracula.)   You have, once again, missed the point. 
> The Bible Wayne 
> cites is not "Catholic" or "Protestant" but one of
> the best and most 
> scholarly attempts at an accurate translation of
> those gospels that 
> considered essential by most of the world's
> Christians and Christian 
> academics.
> 
> Understanding the context in which something was
> written?  Very 
> important.  Accuracy in translation?  Essential. 
> Anyone using the King 
> James Version is using a very beautifully written
> Bible, but a woefully 
> inaccurate translation.  Here at the Bible-mad
> Opyr-Huskey compound, we 
> have at least seven translations and a couple of
> concordances hanging 
> around.  Melynda likes to use "The Oxford Study
> Bible: A Revised 
> English Bible with the Apocrypha."  I prefer "The
> New Oxford Annotated 
> Bible: An Ecumenical Study Bible."  I am not, as
> I've mentioned before, 
> a Christian.  I'm a Reform Jew, but I do attempt to
> understand (in 
> historical context) Christian doctrine.  Obviously,
> I have a more 
> vested interest in the Torah.  Rose gave me a copy
> of Robert Alter's 
> brilliant "The Five Books of Moses: A Translation
> With Commentary" last 
> year for my birthday.  Reading that has been a
> life-changing 
> experience.
> 
> If you know anyone who is still using the King
> James, and you think 
> that means that they're into context, language, and
> accuracy, then you 
> are speaking a different language than Wayne and
> Chasuk.  You're 
> talking about faith, Donovan; not scholarly
> translation.  For the sake 
> of comparison, it's like the difference between
> Seamus Heaney's poetic 
> translation of Beowulf and Talbot Donaldson's prose
> translation.  The 
> former is lovely, but the latter is far more
> accurate; Heaney, a poet, 
> takes a good deal of poetic license with the
> original text.  He's 
> trying to give his readers a feel for the rhythm and
> beauty of Beowulf. 
>   Professor Donaldson wants his readers to
> understand exactly what the 
> words of the poem mean in context.
> 
> Get it?  No, of course not.  Oh, well, nevermind. 
> I'm off to get it -- 
> right in a bulging vein.  Here's hoping they don't
> take too many pints.
> 
> Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
> www.auntie-establishment.com
> 
>
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