[Vision2020] Public prayer on public money
keely emerinemix
kjajmix1 at msn.com
Wed Aug 17 19:50:29 PDT 2005
Darn. You caught me.
keely
From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>, thansen at moscow.com,
joanopyr at earthlink.net, vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public money
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:19:22 -0700 (PDT)
Keely,
So in order to prevent Joe Bob Council Member from
looking like a false prophet, you want to ban public
prayer even from the audience that has to live with
the decisions of the council? Well, that is about as
logical as your statement that the MSD student
enrollment is going to go up because new houses are
being built.
Why you wish to block people from connecting with God
is beyond me. Prayer is something we should be able to
do always and everywhere, not just when the government
wants us to. You treat prayer as though it is
something that should only be done in the privacy of
their own home or church when nobody is looking, as
though it is something we should be ashamed about. I
think we need more encouragement of prayer, not less.
If people want to do it for show, let them, no harm
done, but blocking people from praying because someone
really is only pretending to pray is not a logical way
of thinking or to those that genuinely wish to pray
and ask for guidance. Banning prayer is preventing
people from connecting with God. That is what you are
advocating. Period.
Donovan J Arnold
--- keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> No one is saying that Joe Bob Councilmember can't
> pray. Joe Bob should
> pray, and I hope he does -- in the shower, in his
> bedroom, in the car, in
> the stairwell, and in the Spirit and truth that God
> desires. But the
> esteemed councilmember should not parade his
> devotion like the Pied Piper of
> Piety, unless he's trying to please someone other
> than God . . .
>
> . . . Wait! Could that be it??
>
> It's worth considering . . .
>
> keely
>
>
> From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>,
> joanopyr at earthlink.net,
> vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public
> money
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:56:45 -0700 (PDT)
>
> Mr. Hansen,
>
> You are only offering circular arguments. A speaker
> can also ignore a prayer completely at a meeting
> too.
> You silly man. So why not let those that believe in
> praying before conducting important business pray
> and
> those that wish not to think about something else.
> Why
> should those that wish to pray be denied. If you
> allow
> prayer, everyone gets what they want. If you
> disallow
> prayer only those that wish not to pray get what
> they
> want.
>
> Donovan J Arnold
>
> --- Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> > Arnold -
> >
> > Unlike prayer, the Pledge of Allegiance affords
> the
> > "speaker" the
> > opportunity to say or not say the words "under
> God".
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any
> > more than going to a
> > garage makes you a mechanic."
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:25 PM
> > To: Tom Hansen; joanopyr at earthlink.net;
> > vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public
> > money
> >
> > Mr. Hansen,
> >
> > Sorry, but praying does not establish a religion
> > anymore than saying the Pledge of Allegiance to
> the
> > flag establishes a religion. Both our money and
> our
> > pledge define us as a monotheistic nation with
> the
> > use
> > of "God" instead of "Gods". Should we stop saying
> > the
> > Pledge of Allegiance before meetings too Mr.
> Hansen?
> >
> > Donovan J Arnold
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> >
> > > No, no, no, Arnold -
> > >
> > > "Establishment", according to the Supreme Court
> of
> > > the United States
> > > (SCOTUS), concerns the recognition of any one
> > faith
> > > above all others. I
> > > draw your attention to Thomas Jefferson's "Wall
> of
> > > Separation" which has
> > > been cited in several SCOTUS opinions
> (pronounced
> > > "decisions") and discussed
> > > here in V2020 extensively.
> > >
> > > By praying, the city council does just that.
> > >
> > > Comprende?
> > >
> > > Tom Hansen
> > > Moscow, Idaho
> > >
> > > "I think one of the best ways to support
> education
> > > is to make successful private schools like
> Logos
> > prosper through tax
> > > exemption."
> > >
> > > - Donovan Arnold (July 11, 2005)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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