[Vision2020] Public prayer on public money

[keely emerinemix]

No one is saying that Joe Bob Councilmember can't pray.  Joe Bob should 
pray, and I hope he does -- in the shower, in his bedroom, in the car, in 
the stairwell, and in the Spirit and truth that God desires.  But the 
esteemed councilmember should not parade his devotion like the Pied Piper of 
Piety, unless he's trying to please someone other than God . . .

. . . Wait!  Could that be it??

It's worth considering . . .

keely


From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>, joanopyr at earthlink.net,        
vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public money
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:56:45 -0700 (PDT)

Mr. Hansen,

You are only offering circular arguments. A speaker
can also ignore a prayer completely at a meeting too.
You silly man. So why not let those that believe in
praying before conducting important business pray and
those that wish not to think about something else. Why
should those that wish to pray be denied. If you allow
prayer, everyone gets what they want. If you disallow
prayer only those that wish not to pray get what they
want.

Donovan J Arnold

--- Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

 > Arnold -
 >
 > Unlike prayer, the Pledge of Allegiance affords the
 > "speaker" the
 > opportunity to say or not say the words "under God".
 >
 > Tom Hansen
 > Moscow, Idaho
 >
 > "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any
 > more than going to a
 > garage makes you a mechanic."
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 >
 > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
 > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
 > On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
 > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:25 PM
 > To: Tom Hansen; joanopyr at earthlink.net;
 > vision2020 at moscow.com
 > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public
 > money
 >
 > Mr. Hansen,
 >
 > Sorry, but praying does not establish a religion
 > anymore than saying the Pledge of Allegiance to the
 > flag establishes a religion. Both our money and our
 > pledge define us as a monotheistic nation with the
 > use
 > of "God" instead of "Gods". Should we stop saying
 > the
 > Pledge of Allegiance before meetings too Mr. Hansen?
 >
 > Donovan J Arnold
 >
 >
 >
 > --- Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
 >
 > > No, no, no, Arnold -
 > >
 > > "Establishment", according to the Supreme Court of
 > > the United States
 > > (SCOTUS), concerns the recognition of any one
 > faith
 > > above all others.  I
 > > draw your attention to Thomas Jefferson's "Wall of
 > > Separation" which has
 > > been cited in several SCOTUS opinions (pronounced
 > > "decisions") and discussed
 > > here in V2020 extensively.
 > >
 > > By praying, the city council does just that.
 > >
 > > Comprende?
 > >
 > > Tom Hansen
 > > Moscow, Idaho
 > >
 > > "I think one of the best ways to support education
 > > is to make successful private schools like Logos
 > prosper through tax
 > > exemption."
 > >
 > > - Donovan Arnold (July 11, 2005)
 >
 >
 >
 >
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