[Vision2020] Public prayer on public money

[Carl Westberg]

I'm free then to publicly pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster and His 
Noodly Appendage?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_spaghetti_monster - 17k    Proof of Intelligent 
Design if I ever saw it.                                                     
                                                                             
                                                                             
                                                                           
Carl Westberg Jr.

>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public money
>Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:19:43 -0700
>
>RIGHT!
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:01 AM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public money
>
>
>It is not in the constitution. The Supreme Court based their decisions on
>other documents, not on the constitution. They were wrong to to do.
>-----Original message-----
>From: "Pat Kraut" pkraut at moscow.com
>Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:51:22 -0700
>To: "vision2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public money
>
> > Where do you find that 'wall of separation' in the constitution??
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> > To: "'Donovan Arnold'" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>;
> > <joanopyr at earthlink.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:32 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public money
> >
> >
> > No, no, no, Arnold -
> >
> > "Establishment", according to the Supreme Court of the United States
> > (SCOTUS), concerns the recognition of any one faith above all others.  I
> > draw your attention to Thomas Jefferson's "Wall of Separation" which has
> > been cited in several SCOTUS opinions (pronounced "decisions") and
>discussed
> > here in V2020 extensively.
> >
> > By praying, the city council does just that.
> >
> > Comprende?
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "I think one of the best ways to support education is to make successful
> > private schools like Logos prosper through tax exemption."
> >
> > - Donovan Arnold (July 11, 2005)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:05 PM
> > To: joanopyr at earthlink.net; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public money
> >
> > Saying a prayer before a public meeting is not an
> > establishment of religion. Establishment of religion
> > is when the government, king, dictator, etc. supports,
> > funds and defines a religion as the official religion
> > of a nation or state. In the past, the government
> > would often give special privilege to those that
> > practiced that official established religion. In some
> > cases, people were killed or persecuted for not
> > following the faith as prescribed by the government.
> > This is what the establishment of religion means, and
> > what was meant when the forefathers wrote the
> > Constitution. How do we know? Because US Congress has
> > always had prayer before business. So people can twist
> > it all they want, but it was not meant to prevent
> > prayer before a public meeting.
> >
> > It is not true to say the 1st amendment was designed
> > to prevent public prayer. Nor is saying a prayer
> > establishment of a religion. God is on our money and
> > in our pledge and those that try to remove it are just
> > idiots with obvious nothing better to do than bitch
> > and complain and force themselves on everyone else. It
> > is my belief that a few people are trying to prevent
> > me and others from practicing our religion and prayer.
> > Those that do this are forcing their beliefs on me and
> > 95% of those that wish to worship and appreciate what
> > God has given them. If you do not want to pray, DON'T
> > PRAY, nobody is forcing you to, but do not prevent the
> > rest of us from doing so.
> >
> > Donovan J Arnold
> >
> >
> >
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