[Vision2020] Public prayer on public money

[Pat Kraut]

RIGHT!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
To: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public money


It is not in the constitution. The Supreme Court based their decisions on
other documents, not on the constitution. They were wrong to to do.
-----Original message-----
From: "Pat Kraut" pkraut at moscow.com
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:51:22 -0700
To: "vision2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public money

> Where do you find that 'wall of separation' in the constitution??
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> To: "'Donovan Arnold'" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>;
> <joanopyr at earthlink.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:32 AM
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public money
>
>
> No, no, no, Arnold -
>
> "Establishment", according to the Supreme Court of the United States
> (SCOTUS), concerns the recognition of any one faith above all others.  I
> draw your attention to Thomas Jefferson's "Wall of Separation" which has
> been cited in several SCOTUS opinions (pronounced "decisions") and
discussed
> here in V2020 extensively.
>
> By praying, the city council does just that.
>
> Comprende?
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "I think one of the best ways to support education is to make successful
> private schools like Logos prosper through tax exemption."
>
> - Donovan Arnold (July 11, 2005)
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:05 PM
> To: joanopyr at earthlink.net; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public money
>
> Saying a prayer before a public meeting is not an
> establishment of religion. Establishment of religion
> is when the government, king, dictator, etc. supports,
> funds and defines a religion as the official religion
> of a nation or state. In the past, the government
> would often give special privilege to those that
> practiced that official established religion. In some
> cases, people were killed or persecuted for not
> following the faith as prescribed by the government.
> This is what the establishment of religion means, and
> what was meant when the forefathers wrote the
> Constitution. How do we know? Because US Congress has
> always had prayer before business. So people can twist
> it all they want, but it was not meant to prevent
> prayer before a public meeting.
>
> It is not true to say the 1st amendment was designed
> to prevent public prayer. Nor is saying a prayer
> establishment of a religion. God is on our money and
> in our pledge and those that try to remove it are just
> idiots with obvious nothing better to do than bitch
> and complain and force themselves on everyone else. It
> is my belief that a few people are trying to prevent
> me and others from practicing our religion and prayer.
> Those that do this are forcing their beliefs on me and
> 95% of those that wish to worship and appreciate what
> God has given them. If you do not want to pray, DON'T
> PRAY, nobody is forcing you to, but do not prevent the
> rest of us from doing so.
>
> Donovan J Arnold
>
>
>
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