[Vision2020] message from Roberta Radavich
keely emerinemix
kjajmix1 at msn.com
Wed Apr 27 17:15:37 PDT 2005
The flier -- which usually refers to materials done with a modicum of
quality, but which is the only description I could think of other than
"sloppily written, hysterical and juvenile rantings" -- represents a
sickening new low in the debate.
The definition of a rhetorical question is one for which no answer is
expected or can be given. Here's an example:
Janice, Jim, Roberta and Tim -- have you no shame?
keely
From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] message from Roberta Radavich
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:10:14 -0700
As far as open campus' - I grew up and went to what is still a closed
campus. We never and they still do not have guards on the gate or have
"barbed wire" on the fence. The kids know it is closed and if they are
caught off campus, they know they get punished either by detention or
suspension.
The reasoning behind it then as well as now is simple - THEY ARE IN SCHOOL
and should not be running around town possibly making it back to class late
or not at all. Granted, not all kids that leave for lunch fall into the
irresponsible category; however, I am one driver who is tired of dodging
kids from the high school area going down town - to do what? They have
food on campus, they could bring lunches, etc. WHAT is so important during
the noon hour that can't wait until after school?
Secondly, what makes you think you and your party can just go onto school
grounds, unannounced, without approval and hand out material (poorly written
material at that) to students who can not and do not vote? What purpose or
goal did you have in mind when you did that? There are procedures every
citizen/person needs to follow before they can do something like that.
Perhaps just this type of goofy behavior is another reason to consider
having a closed campus - not to keep the kids in but rather to keep
less-than-fully-thinking adults out.
If you can't and don't stay off the campus when you should what makes you
think other, less desirables, will?
>From: "Janice Willard" <jwillard at turbonet.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: [Vision2020] message from Roberta Radavich
>Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:13:58 -0700
>
>Janice, I do not really desire to join v 2020. Could you see through to
>posting this in my behalf?
>RE: Closed Campus for high school
>
>Readers, the description so maligned by Rose Huskey (Wednesday, April 27,
>2005 2:25 AM) of a closed campus is based upon this evidence and these
>thoughts.
>
>School board member Paul Weingartner told me that they most certainly would
>close the campus of the new high school to the lower grades. Those of us
>who have lived through closed campus are aware that you actually can't have
>a closed campus without enforcement. The description of the enforcement,
>however odious, is a description of what some of us have lived through.
>The trail donation required an 8 foot cyclone fence around the proposed
>school property as a condition of the sale. During the final stage of the
>women's league of voters meeting, when parties were encouraged to ask
>further questions of the representatives on both sides, Candis Donicht told
>Dave Peckham that a closed campus was planned for the lower three grades.
>How do you think a closed campus will be enforced, if not by checking each
>car at the gate??
>
> Please note, I didn't just dream this up as an ungrounded scare
>tactic. I was told it was in the plans already, at the new site.
>
> We should be looking at real need, and at our various strategies to meet
>that need. The real need, as I see it, is for our children to be
>successful as they move into society, and for them to be safe, and for
>them to develop a healthy sense of personal value. Clearly from this bond
>election, we as a community, have a lot of different strategies for how
>best to meet that set of basic needs. There is a problem with using the
>word "need" to describe a strategy. A new school on the "trail site" is
>only one possible strategy to meet a need. I believe we can all be
>clearer in our process, less confrontational, and more understanding, when
>we have clarity on what is a need and what is a strategy. The emotional
>punch that we generate claiming that a strategy is actually a "need",
>clouds our minds, so that we loose the focus of what our basic needs are,
>and we loose the creative process of looking at the full range of
>strategies.
> Our community has so many truly bright and well intentioned thinkers
>on all sides of this issue, and I believe we are once again at the place
>where we should focus on the basic needs of our children and our community,
>all of us, and let voices from all quarters be heard. We must come back to
>the table with whatever levels of compassion we can personally muster, and
>again negotiate strategies.
> There are things that we wisely fear, like we fear water when we do
>not know how to swim. I personally fear the things that make a child feel
>he has no control of his life, not even in the simplest of decisions, such
>as where to eat his lunch, because I feel that our children already have so
>little opportunity to exercise their own decision making processes. They
>are told for hours each day, 5 days a week, where to be, what to do. My
>first living child, who at the end of high school got 99.9 on his PSAT,
>told me years later, that it took him 2 years before he could get beyond
>the damages generated by having told what to do for so long. He said, "I
>knew a lot of things that I didn't want, but it took me two years before I
>even began realizing that I could be thinking in terms of what I *did* want
>for my life." I fear this deadening that occurs as we remove so many areas
>of decision making from our children.
> Another linked fear for me, and again I stress that this is just me,
>is that of gradually desensitizing of our US citizens to police powers, so
>that we do not defend on a national level, our rights to the freedoms set
>down in the Bill of Rights. It's been so long since most of us read that
>document. Changes have been occurring, escalated recently by fears of
>terrorism, so that now we meekly submit to searches when we get on a
>airplane, to laws that allow people to be held in prison for unspecified
>long periods without being accused of a crime. Each step we make that
>accustoms our children to the idea that they must submit to losses of basic
>freedoms, when that loss is not necessary, seems to me a further step
>toward acceptance of a police state. I want to see our children
>successfully integrated into a free society. I want them to know our
>downtown business owners, to know there are places other than Wal-Mart that
>they can browse through, to become active members of the community.
>Isolating them... how will this accomplish our goal to socialize our
>children?
> I feel that the closed campus idea usurps the authority of a parent.
>If a parent wishes his child to take a sack lunch and remain on campus,
>this power should remain with the parent. If a parent wants the child to
>be able to leave campus and head to the nearest eatery of choice in our
>town, I think that parent should be able to direct that freedom for their
>child, based on their own trust of the child and on the family needs,
>without going through an involved and cumbersome permission process. If
>any campus has lovely and inviting seating areas, and foods that are
>desirable, chances are most students will happily stay put and visit with
>each other. There are many ways to meet the lunch time need for fueling
>the body, however. It is my opinion that those that choose not to remain
>on campus should be free to take a walk, or a drive with a friend, and feel
>the same level of personal freedom that other free adults in our community
>enjoy. This would be my preferred strategy to additionally meet the need
>for our children, at some level, to have autonomy, to retain the sense
>that they could make decisions as adults do, wise or foolish, and to learn
>from them. In my opinion, it is not always wise to protect a child from
>every possible form of harm, or else, how can he even learn to walk?
> Roberta Radavich
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