Fw: RE: [Vision2020] Question 1 Shortage of Books

keely emerinemix kjajmix1 at msn.com
Sat Apr 23 18:09:37 PDT 2005


No, CQE -- which is not a "governing force" -- does not decide where the 
money for school books gets to go.  The budget is handled by the District, 
not a citizen's group organized to lend support to public schools.

keely

From: cjs <cjs at turbonet.com>
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Fw: RE: [Vision2020] Question 1 Shortage of Books
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:04:55 -0700


-----Original message-----
From: cjs cjs at turbonet.com
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:04:01 -0700
To: "Donovan Arnold" donovanarnold at hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Question 1 Shortage of Books

Thank you Donovan,

Why would CQE answer your questions about a shortage of books? To my 
understanding CQE is the promotional organizing backing the funds to promote 
this bond.  Period. I could definetly be wrong. Someone tell us what CQE is 
and stands for. It is not clear on their website. Speaking of CQE.....well - 
now we have QUESTION 4. Next thread.

Is CQE the governing force behind who says where the money for school books 
gets to go?

Phil



-----Original message-----
From: "Donovan Arnold" donovanarnold at hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:30:08 -0700
To: cjs at turbonet.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Question 1 Shortage of Books

 > According to the members of CQE, (I have it in writing if you want it) 
here
 > is why the school district is short on science textbooks.
 >
 > Every five years each department gets brand new books. The science
 > department is suppose to get new text books in Fall 2005. So they did not
 > want to buy more of the old edition to ensure that every kid had enough 
text
 > books. They thought it more prudent to just let the children share and 
save
 > some bucks instead of buying books that would be outdated the next year.
 >
 > Agreement with that decision is based on your own morals. MSD is not 
lacking
 > funds for the current operation of schools. It just makes decisions we do
 > not always agree on.
 >
 > Take Care,
 >
 > Donovan J Arnold
 >
 > >From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
 > >To: cjs at turbonet.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
 > >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Question 1 PROJECT SPENDING/SECURITY FENCE
 > >Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:40:29 -0700
 > >
 > >Mr. Phil;
 > >
 > >Not sure if you realize that Dr. Donicht is not a member of the School
 > >Board - she is an employee of the MSD.  Therefore, by law, policy, etc. 
she
 > >has NO voting rights or concerns when subjects or issues go before the
 > >board for a vote.
 > >
 > >The MSD are working hard to get books, but as stated numerous times in
 > >public and private e-mails and meetings, the LEGISLATURE is not an
 > >educationally-friendly bunch of folks.  That is NOT the fault of the 
MSD,
 > >the School Board, the CQE, the Facilities Committee, etc.  You need to 
talk
 > >to our elected officials about what to do about funding for our public
 > >schools.  I know I have.
 > >
 > >I'd also like to state that NO class is doing without necessary 
materials
 > >for the kids to be educated.  The teachers do have, and hand out, work
 > >sheets and reading materials for the kids to use in class and for doing
 > >their homework and study work.  There is also the option that EVERY 
citizen
 > >has of donating monies dedicated to the buying of specific books - if
 > >anyone cares to do that, please feel free to contact the MSD and they 
will
 > >work with you.
 > >
 > >I would like to state that no where is it stated, wished for, wanted or
 > >planned to have "security fence with gate and guard" on the new high
 > >school.  If anyone takes the time to look at any of the schools in our
 > >town, they ALL have some kind of fencing around them.  Why should the 
new
 > >high school be any different?  I have been by the Trail property this 
week
 > >- there is already a fence on one side of the land, which I understand 
was
 > >put up by the city (?) and will remain there.  I don't believe the fence
 > >should be an issue as, again, ALL of the schools have them.  This idea 
of a
 > >"prison looking high school" I believe is just plain silly and 
inflammatory
 > >in nature.  It ain't a fact, folks.
 > >
 > >>From what I understand of the process, IF the bond were not to pass, 
there
 > >is always the possibility of the MSD/Facility Committee, etc. to go to 
work
 > >and again try to get public input and suggestions before it is placed up
 > >for another vote.  This happened many, many times in Potlatch and Troy - 
we
 > >all know how the Troy school district ended up going and Potlatch came 
very
 > >close to going the same route before it's citizenery finally passed a 
bond
 > >for improvement.  I don't get why people are so hesitant to invest in 
their
 > >children but quick to put the blame on the school districts when things
 > >like buildings needing retiring/remodeling happen.
 > >
 > >The old saying "You loose tomorrow spending today looking at yesterday"
 > >comes to mind here.  Let's try to look to the future and not dwell on 
the
 > >past - can't change it anyway, why not move forward?
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >>From: cjs <cjs at turbonet.com>
 > >>To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
 > >>CC: VISION2020 at MOSCOW.COM
 > >>Subject: [Vision2020] Question 1 PROJECT SPENDING/SECURITY FENCE
 > >>Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:00:43 -0700
 > >>
 > >>Thanks Keely,
 > >>
 > >>I will try to get the correct language as best I can. Maybe we can ask 
and
 > >>answer questions according to subjects as question 1, question 2, etc.
 > >>Then the people that do not want to listen about certain questions can
 > >>delete? I am asking questions from other people who wish to remain
 > >>un-named. Some wish to be named but are not subscribers to this list. 
Just
 > >>want some answers. Anybody wishing to chime in please do so. WITHOUT
 > >>RIDICULE OR NASTY REMARKS. Anyone wishing to email me OFF LIST is 
welcome
 > >>to do so.
 > >>
 > >>Thank you Keely. A lot of people are listening today and I hope you 
have
 > >>the time or can refer me to the appropriate party to get a question
 > >>answered if you are unable.
 > >>
 > >>So, regarding question 1: Project spending:
 > >>
 > >>Yes, the correct term  is "project." So the bond money will be used in 
the
 > >>following PROJECT MANNER? The 5 people on the school board including 
Dr.
 > >>Donicht are the ones that voted unanimously how to use this bond money 
in
 > >>the following manner? It never was asked to the public how to spend the 
29
 > >>million dollars we are to vote on?
 > >>
 > >>PROJECT:
 > >>1) Elemenatary school 1 remodel
 > >>2) Elementary school 2 remodel
 > >>3) High School remodel
 > >>4) New Construction for High School
 > >>
 > >>Now, if the bond does not pass how do we, the tax payers ask for a bond 
to
 > >>remodel both elementary schols and the current high school? Like what 
the
 > >>Matrix report suggested?
 > >>
 > >>previously asked.........
 > >> >How do we get the textbooks and school supplies so desperately needed
 > >>for
 > >> > the children if this bond is only for "construction" purposes? How 
will
 > >>the
 > >> > maintenance, salaries and operations for the new high school be 
paid?
 > >>From
 > >> > the bond already passed and the money already in the pot? Or will it
 > >>need to
 > >> > be another bond to vote on from the public adding a new tax?
 > >>
 > >>Keely - I remember reading somewhere that a science class did not have
 > >>enough books for the students to take home and study for a test they 
were
 > >>going to have. This is of course a problem. How do we get the kids all 
the
 > >>books they need? I don't want this to transfer to the new HS. I want it
 > >>handled now. Is it the teacher that gets a "budget" and there is not
 > >>enough money in his/her budget to buy each student a book? If they are 
not
 > >>getting a proper budget to cover this, is it because of the "school 
budget
 > >>cuts" that come to us from our elected officials like senator, etc.?
 > >>
 > >>Included in this bond is the future expense cost of maintainng the
 > >>projects? Is there a document available to the public that shows us the
 > >>actual breakdown of each project and how the district arrived at the 29
 > >>mil?
 > >>
 > >>
 > >>SECURITY FENCE:
 > >> >The Trail family is donating the cost of the fence.  This appears to
 > >>have been lost in the debate.
 > >>
 > >>This indeed will be a wonderful donation as it could be quite 
expensive.
 > >>Do we know the value of this fence they are donating? Do I understand 
that
 > >>in the Trails original offer where they stated a security fence is
 > >>required, they meant a security fence will have to be on the donated 
land
 > >>period? That they will pay for it but in order for them to gift the 
land
 > >>to us they want the school enclosed in a security fence like manner? Do
 > >>you or anybody listening know exactly what they are buying and putting
 > >>around the new HS? I would sure like to know, if my kids were of HS 
age. I
 > >>think I read somewhere that they would accept a chain link fence. So if
 > >>they are buying it what will it look like? As a neighbor to the 
proposed
 > >>site I would like to know what I am going to be looking at. What if 
they
 > >>build a big old and ugly brick wall all around the premsie?
 > >>
 > >>Oh - will the school district own the gifted and purchased land from 
the
 > >>Trails free and clear?
 > >>
 > >>Many people admire you in trying to get the public educated. We all
 > >>understand you are only one person. We all ask where in the heck is 
your
 > >>support? Dr. Donicht? Other trustees? FPC? CQE? ANYBODY? Keely - where 
are
 > >>the people that are paid to do this job? Where are the people that can
 > >>help you?
 > >>
 > >>Phil Roderick
 > >>-----Original message-----
 > >>From: "keely emerinemix" kjajmix1 at msn.com
 > >>Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:42:57 -0700
 > >>To: cjs at turbonet.com
 > >>Subject: [Spam] RE: answering Phil's questions
 > >>
 > >> > I'm responding to the entire forum since others may want answers to
 > >>your
 > >> > questions.
 > >> >
 > >> > 1.  I don't know what you mean by "four tracks."  Please read on . . 
.
 > >> >
 > >> > "Tracks" has had a specific usage in our two-year planning, and so I
 > >>may be
 > >> > reading your question too literally. There were three tracks that 
the
 > >> > committee came up with.  One (no new construction) was not 
recommended
 > >>by
 > >> > the FPC, but the other two were; the plan we're considering now was 
the
 > >> > track with near-unanimous support of the committee as well as Supt.
 > >> > Donicht's recommendation.  The board voted on it Feb. 24 and it 
passed
 > >>5-0.
 > >> >   The bond amount is sufficient for the four projects (new HS,
 > >>remodeled WP
 > >> > and Russell, remodel of current HS to accommodate alt school, etc., 
--
 > >>maybe
 > >> > that's what you mean), insofar as it covers what can legally be 
covered
 > >>by a
 > >> > bond.
 > >> >
 > >> > 2.  The Trail family is donating the cost of the fence.  This 
appears
 > >>to
 > >> > have been lost in the debate.
 > >> >
 > >> > 3.  Please remember that the change is not in the number of 
teachers,
 > >> > required textbooks, etc., but is a change in facilities and
 > >>configuration.
 > >> > It's still a K-12 district with the same number of teachers, and,
 > >>again,
 > >> > we're simply planning to move our kids and staff to buildings better
 > >>able to
 > >> > handle the long-term demands of education.  So the teachers teaching
 > >>from
 > >> > textbooks are already budgeted -- they'll simply move to better,
 > >> > bond-funded, facilities.  This is not to say that the district will
 > >>always
 > >> > have exactly the same number of staff, kids, etc. -- that changes 
from
 > >>year
 > >> > to year and is part of our budget planning project.  But funds 
cannot
 > >>and do
 > >> > not "cross over."
 > >> >
 > >> > keely
 > >> >
 > >> >
 > >> >
 > >> > From: cjs <cjs at turbonet.com>
 > >> > To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
 > >> > Subject: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] supplemental bond/levy
 > >> > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:24:51 -0700
 > >> >
 > >> > Thank you so kindly Keely.
 > >> >
 > >> > So this bond is all that is required for the completion of the four
 > >>tracks?
 > >> > Like construction only?
 > >> >
 > >> > How do we get the textbooks and school supplies so desperately 
needed
 > >>for
 > >> > the children if this bond is only for "construction" purposes? How 
will
 > >>the
 > >> > maintenance, salaries and operations for the new high school be 
paid?
 > >>From
 > >> > the bond already passed and the money already in the pot? Or will it
 > >>need to
 > >> > be another bond to vote on from the public adding a new tax? Wait -
 > >>maybe
 > >> > the correct term here is levy? I am a bit confused on the bond vs. 
levy
 > >> > thing.
 > >> >
 > >> > Another question you might be able to answer since we are on the
 > >>subject of
 > >> > "construction." I understand the Trails have specified that a 
"security
 > >> > fence" be installed or agreed upon, before they "gift" a portion of
 > >>their
 > >> > land. Will this cost of this security fence be included in this 
"bond"
 > >>as
 > >> > "construction costs" or is it already figured into "summer monies"
 > >>which I
 > >> > do not understand and do we have an estimated cost of what the 
Trails
 > >>are
 > >> > asking for in regards of the security fence if we decide to put the 
HS
 > >>on
 > >> > their land? Everything that I read or hear seems to be pointing in 
the
 > >> > direction of the new HS going on the Trail land as nothing else 
seems
 > >>to be
 > >> > better.
 > >> >
 > >> > Phil Roderick
 > >> >
 > >> > -----Original message-----
 > >> > From: "keely emerinemix" kjajmix1 at msn.com
 > >> > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:56:50 -0700
 > >> > To: cjs at turbonet.com
 > >> > Subject: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] supplemental bond/levy
 > >> >
 > >> >  > A supplemental levy is a funding mechanism "levied" against 
property
 > >> > owners.
 > >> >  >   It may not include new construction or significant remodel, 
i.e.,
 > >> > capital
 > >> >  > improvements.  Moscow has a permanent supplemental levy at its
 > >>current
 > >> > rate
 > >> >  > due to the passage of several consecutive annual supplemental
 > >>levies, a
 > >> >  > provision granted by the State.
 > >> >  >
 > >> >  > A bond is a "levy" only in the sense that tax increases are 
"levied"
 > >> > against
 > >> >  > owners of properties in the district.  I would prefer that this
 > >>issue be
 > >> >  > referred to as a "bond" or bond election, but understand that 
bond
 > >>levy
 > >> > is
 > >> >  > what people call it.  Either way, a bond cannot, by law, fund
 > >>textbooks,
 > >> >  > salaries, operations, routine maintenance, etc.; it can only fund
 > >>capital
 > >> >  > improvements.
 > >> >  >
 > >> >  > keely
 > >> >  >
 > >> >  >
 > >> >  >
 > >> >  > From: cjs <cjs at turbonet.com>
 > >> >  > To: VISION2020 at MOSCOW.COM
 > >> >  > Subject: [Vision2020] supplemental bond/levy
 > >> >  > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:20:28 -0700
 > >> >  >
 > >> >  > Can anyone tell me what a "supplemental bond/levy is? PLEASE!
 > >> >  >
 > >> >  > Phil Roderick
 > >> >  >
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