Fw: RE: [Vision2020] Question 1 Shortage of Books
cjs
cjs at turbonet.com
Sat Apr 23 18:04:55 PDT 2005
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From: cjs cjs at turbonet.com
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:04:01 -0700
To: "Donovan Arnold" donovanarnold at hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Question 1 Shortage of Books
Thank you Donovan,
Why would CQE answer your questions about a shortage of books? To my understanding CQE is the promotional organizing backing the funds to promote this bond. Period. I could definetly be wrong. Someone tell us what CQE is and stands for. It is not clear on their website. Speaking of CQE.....well - now we have QUESTION 4. Next thread.
Is CQE the governing force behind who says where the money for school books gets to go?
Phil
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From: "Donovan Arnold" donovanarnold at hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:30:08 -0700
To: cjs at turbonet.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Question 1 Shortage of Books
> According to the members of CQE, (I have it in writing if you want it) here
> is why the school district is short on science textbooks.
>
> Every five years each department gets brand new books. The science
> department is suppose to get new text books in Fall 2005. So they did not
> want to buy more of the old edition to ensure that every kid had enough text
> books. They thought it more prudent to just let the children share and save
> some bucks instead of buying books that would be outdated the next year.
>
> Agreement with that decision is based on your own morals. MSD is not lacking
> funds for the current operation of schools. It just makes decisions we do
> not always agree on.
>
> Take Care,
>
> Donovan J Arnold
>
> >From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> >To: cjs at turbonet.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Question 1 PROJECT SPENDING/SECURITY FENCE
> >Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:40:29 -0700
> >
> >Mr. Phil;
> >
> >Not sure if you realize that Dr. Donicht is not a member of the School
> >Board - she is an employee of the MSD. Therefore, by law, policy, etc. she
> >has NO voting rights or concerns when subjects or issues go before the
> >board for a vote.
> >
> >The MSD are working hard to get books, but as stated numerous times in
> >public and private e-mails and meetings, the LEGISLATURE is not an
> >educationally-friendly bunch of folks. That is NOT the fault of the MSD,
> >the School Board, the CQE, the Facilities Committee, etc. You need to talk
> >to our elected officials about what to do about funding for our public
> >schools. I know I have.
> >
> >I'd also like to state that NO class is doing without necessary materials
> >for the kids to be educated. The teachers do have, and hand out, work
> >sheets and reading materials for the kids to use in class and for doing
> >their homework and study work. There is also the option that EVERY citizen
> >has of donating monies dedicated to the buying of specific books - if
> >anyone cares to do that, please feel free to contact the MSD and they will
> >work with you.
> >
> >I would like to state that no where is it stated, wished for, wanted or
> >planned to have "security fence with gate and guard" on the new high
> >school. If anyone takes the time to look at any of the schools in our
> >town, they ALL have some kind of fencing around them. Why should the new
> >high school be any different? I have been by the Trail property this week
> >- there is already a fence on one side of the land, which I understand was
> >put up by the city (?) and will remain there. I don't believe the fence
> >should be an issue as, again, ALL of the schools have them. This idea of a
> >"prison looking high school" I believe is just plain silly and inflammatory
> >in nature. It ain't a fact, folks.
> >
> >>From what I understand of the process, IF the bond were not to pass, there
> >is always the possibility of the MSD/Facility Committee, etc. to go to work
> >and again try to get public input and suggestions before it is placed up
> >for another vote. This happened many, many times in Potlatch and Troy - we
> >all know how the Troy school district ended up going and Potlatch came very
> >close to going the same route before it's citizenery finally passed a bond
> >for improvement. I don't get why people are so hesitant to invest in their
> >children but quick to put the blame on the school districts when things
> >like buildings needing retiring/remodeling happen.
> >
> >The old saying "You loose tomorrow spending today looking at yesterday"
> >comes to mind here. Let's try to look to the future and not dwell on the
> >past - can't change it anyway, why not move forward?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: cjs <cjs at turbonet.com>
> >>To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> >>CC: VISION2020 at MOSCOW.COM
> >>Subject: [Vision2020] Question 1 PROJECT SPENDING/SECURITY FENCE
> >>Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:00:43 -0700
> >>
> >>Thanks Keely,
> >>
> >>I will try to get the correct language as best I can. Maybe we can ask and
> >>answer questions according to subjects as question 1, question 2, etc.
> >>Then the people that do not want to listen about certain questions can
> >>delete? I am asking questions from other people who wish to remain
> >>un-named. Some wish to be named but are not subscribers to this list. Just
> >>want some answers. Anybody wishing to chime in please do so. WITHOUT
> >>RIDICULE OR NASTY REMARKS. Anyone wishing to email me OFF LIST is welcome
> >>to do so.
> >>
> >>Thank you Keely. A lot of people are listening today and I hope you have
> >>the time or can refer me to the appropriate party to get a question
> >>answered if you are unable.
> >>
> >>So, regarding question 1: Project spending:
> >>
> >>Yes, the correct term is "project." So the bond money will be used in the
> >>following PROJECT MANNER? The 5 people on the school board including Dr.
> >>Donicht are the ones that voted unanimously how to use this bond money in
> >>the following manner? It never was asked to the public how to spend the 29
> >>million dollars we are to vote on?
> >>
> >>PROJECT:
> >>1) Elemenatary school 1 remodel
> >>2) Elementary school 2 remodel
> >>3) High School remodel
> >>4) New Construction for High School
> >>
> >>Now, if the bond does not pass how do we, the tax payers ask for a bond to
> >>remodel both elementary schols and the current high school? Like what the
> >>Matrix report suggested?
> >>
> >>previously asked.........
> >> >How do we get the textbooks and school supplies so desperately needed
> >>for
> >> > the children if this bond is only for "construction" purposes? How will
> >>the
> >> > maintenance, salaries and operations for the new high school be paid?
> >>From
> >> > the bond already passed and the money already in the pot? Or will it
> >>need to
> >> > be another bond to vote on from the public adding a new tax?
> >>
> >>Keely - I remember reading somewhere that a science class did not have
> >>enough books for the students to take home and study for a test they were
> >>going to have. This is of course a problem. How do we get the kids all the
> >>books they need? I don't want this to transfer to the new HS. I want it
> >>handled now. Is it the teacher that gets a "budget" and there is not
> >>enough money in his/her budget to buy each student a book? If they are not
> >>getting a proper budget to cover this, is it because of the "school budget
> >>cuts" that come to us from our elected officials like senator, etc.?
> >>
> >>Included in this bond is the future expense cost of maintainng the
> >>projects? Is there a document available to the public that shows us the
> >>actual breakdown of each project and how the district arrived at the 29
> >>mil?
> >>
> >>
> >>SECURITY FENCE:
> >> >The Trail family is donating the cost of the fence. This appears to
> >>have been lost in the debate.
> >>
> >>This indeed will be a wonderful donation as it could be quite expensive.
> >>Do we know the value of this fence they are donating? Do I understand that
> >>in the Trails original offer where they stated a security fence is
> >>required, they meant a security fence will have to be on the donated land
> >>period? That they will pay for it but in order for them to gift the land
> >>to us they want the school enclosed in a security fence like manner? Do
> >>you or anybody listening know exactly what they are buying and putting
> >>around the new HS? I would sure like to know, if my kids were of HS age. I
> >>think I read somewhere that they would accept a chain link fence. So if
> >>they are buying it what will it look like? As a neighbor to the proposed
> >>site I would like to know what I am going to be looking at. What if they
> >>build a big old and ugly brick wall all around the premsie?
> >>
> >>Oh - will the school district own the gifted and purchased land from the
> >>Trails free and clear?
> >>
> >>Many people admire you in trying to get the public educated. We all
> >>understand you are only one person. We all ask where in the heck is your
> >>support? Dr. Donicht? Other trustees? FPC? CQE? ANYBODY? Keely - where are
> >>the people that are paid to do this job? Where are the people that can
> >>help you?
> >>
> >>Phil Roderick
> >>-----Original message-----
> >>From: "keely emerinemix" kjajmix1 at msn.com
> >>Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:42:57 -0700
> >>To: cjs at turbonet.com
> >>Subject: [Spam] RE: answering Phil's questions
> >>
> >> > I'm responding to the entire forum since others may want answers to
> >>your
> >> > questions.
> >> >
> >> > 1. I don't know what you mean by "four tracks." Please read on . . .
> >> >
> >> > "Tracks" has had a specific usage in our two-year planning, and so I
> >>may be
> >> > reading your question too literally. There were three tracks that the
> >> > committee came up with. One (no new construction) was not recommended
> >>by
> >> > the FPC, but the other two were; the plan we're considering now was the
> >> > track with near-unanimous support of the committee as well as Supt.
> >> > Donicht's recommendation. The board voted on it Feb. 24 and it passed
> >>5-0.
> >> > The bond amount is sufficient for the four projects (new HS,
> >>remodeled WP
> >> > and Russell, remodel of current HS to accommodate alt school, etc., --
> >>maybe
> >> > that's what you mean), insofar as it covers what can legally be covered
> >>by a
> >> > bond.
> >> >
> >> > 2. The Trail family is donating the cost of the fence. This appears
> >>to
> >> > have been lost in the debate.
> >> >
> >> > 3. Please remember that the change is not in the number of teachers,
> >> > required textbooks, etc., but is a change in facilities and
> >>configuration.
> >> > It's still a K-12 district with the same number of teachers, and,
> >>again,
> >> > we're simply planning to move our kids and staff to buildings better
> >>able to
> >> > handle the long-term demands of education. So the teachers teaching
> >>from
> >> > textbooks are already budgeted -- they'll simply move to better,
> >> > bond-funded, facilities. This is not to say that the district will
> >>always
> >> > have exactly the same number of staff, kids, etc. -- that changes from
> >>year
> >> > to year and is part of our budget planning project. But funds cannot
> >>and do
> >> > not "cross over."
> >> >
> >> > keely
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: cjs <cjs at turbonet.com>
> >> > To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> >> > Subject: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] supplemental bond/levy
> >> > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:24:51 -0700
> >> >
> >> > Thank you so kindly Keely.
> >> >
> >> > So this bond is all that is required for the completion of the four
> >>tracks?
> >> > Like construction only?
> >> >
> >> > How do we get the textbooks and school supplies so desperately needed
> >>for
> >> > the children if this bond is only for "construction" purposes? How will
> >>the
> >> > maintenance, salaries and operations for the new high school be paid?
> >>From
> >> > the bond already passed and the money already in the pot? Or will it
> >>need to
> >> > be another bond to vote on from the public adding a new tax? Wait -
> >>maybe
> >> > the correct term here is levy? I am a bit confused on the bond vs. levy
> >> > thing.
> >> >
> >> > Another question you might be able to answer since we are on the
> >>subject of
> >> > "construction." I understand the Trails have specified that a "security
> >> > fence" be installed or agreed upon, before they "gift" a portion of
> >>their
> >> > land. Will this cost of this security fence be included in this "bond"
> >>as
> >> > "construction costs" or is it already figured into "summer monies"
> >>which I
> >> > do not understand and do we have an estimated cost of what the Trails
> >>are
> >> > asking for in regards of the security fence if we decide to put the HS
> >>on
> >> > their land? Everything that I read or hear seems to be pointing in the
> >> > direction of the new HS going on the Trail land as nothing else seems
> >>to be
> >> > better.
> >> >
> >> > Phil Roderick
> >> >
> >> > -----Original message-----
> >> > From: "keely emerinemix" kjajmix1 at msn.com
> >> > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:56:50 -0700
> >> > To: cjs at turbonet.com
> >> > Subject: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] supplemental bond/levy
> >> >
> >> > > A supplemental levy is a funding mechanism "levied" against property
> >> > owners.
> >> > > It may not include new construction or significant remodel, i.e.,
> >> > capital
> >> > > improvements. Moscow has a permanent supplemental levy at its
> >>current
> >> > rate
> >> > > due to the passage of several consecutive annual supplemental
> >>levies, a
> >> > > provision granted by the State.
> >> > >
> >> > > A bond is a "levy" only in the sense that tax increases are "levied"
> >> > against
> >> > > owners of properties in the district. I would prefer that this
> >>issue be
> >> > > referred to as a "bond" or bond election, but understand that bond
> >>levy
> >> > is
> >> > > what people call it. Either way, a bond cannot, by law, fund
> >>textbooks,
> >> > > salaries, operations, routine maintenance, etc.; it can only fund
> >>capital
> >> > > improvements.
> >> > >
> >> > > keely
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > From: cjs <cjs at turbonet.com>
> >> > > To: VISION2020 at MOSCOW.COM
> >> > > Subject: [Vision2020] supplemental bond/levy
> >> > > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:20:28 -0700
> >> > >
> >> > > Can anyone tell me what a "supplemental bond/levy is? PLEASE!
> >> > >
> >> > > Phil Roderick
> >> > >
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