[Vision2020] The Nuclear Option (re: School Levy)
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Fri Apr 15 21:44:47 PDT 2005
Mr. Phil;
Ya know, that already occurred you and made a mockery of it by bringing up
things that did not apply to this levy and by trying to out-shout everyone
that was attempting to answer your questions. I honestly don't see the
point except it would give you yet another venue to continue ignoring what
you are being told now.
I am not sure if you understand the procedures the District has to follow in
order to get a meeting together. I would admonish you, however, to
understand that if a meeting did not occur, it is NOT because people are
trying to "dodge" your questions. Sometimes butting heads up against an
unmovable object is just not an option. These people do have lives and
families, as I am sure you can understand and hopefully appreciate.
Again, I ask that you PRECISELY put your questions down and PATIENTLY
request and await answers - but then understand you ARE getting answers.
I'm still at a loss as to why you can't see that the answers are being
provided. Maybe, (just a suggestion here) if you took a couple of days to
cool off and seriously take the time to put things down on paper and think
things through thoroughly, research the answers you have repeatedly
received, then approach the subject either Mon or Tues, that would help?
Again, just a suggestion. Don't get all upset or think I am haranguing
you...just trying to help you understand, ok?
Please do not respond to this if you are going to be angry or "go off" on me
(as my eldest has said when I get on a box.)
Mr. Phil, please have a good and peaceful weekend, ok? Go on a walk, pet a
dog, read a really good book, whatever - just let this set a spell and let
the dust settle, ok?
Thanks.
>From: cjs <cjs at turbonet.com>
>To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Nuclear Option (re: School Levy)
>Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:24:48 -0700
>
>Maybe we could have a meeting BEFORE the vote?
>
>
>-----Original message-----
>From: "J Ford" privatejf32 at hotmail.com
>Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:36:28 -0700
>To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Nuclear Option (re: School Levy)
>
> > Thanks for letting me know(did it change from when the MDS calendar was
> > printed?) Sorry for the mistake. :)
> >
> > Please, everyone that has any kind of interest in MSD, feel free to
>attend.
> > It IS your school board. Even though the meeting is AFTER the vote,
>there
> > are plenty of items that need your attention and support. For those
> > speaking about tax payers monies, this is a good place to start getting
> > involved. The remodel and construction will still be an important place
>for
> > everyone to continue showing their positive interest in the schools.
> >
> > Again, sorry for the mix-up on the dates.
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> > >To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Nuclear Option (re: School Levy)
> > >Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:29:26 -0700
> > >
> > >Thanks, J -- but the next board meeting is Thursday the 28th.
> > >
> > >keely
> > >
> > >From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> > >To: kjajmix1 at msn.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Nuclear Option (re: School Levy)
> > >Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:54:23 -0700
> > >
> > >Thank you, Ms. Keely.
> > >
> > >Will we see you at the next meeting, Mr.s Phil and Arnold? It is on
>April
> > >25 at 7pm.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> > >>To: donovanarnold at hotmail.com, privatejf32 at hotmail.com,
> > >>vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Nuclear Option (re: School Levy)
> > >>Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:45:20 -0700
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>The MSD website's facilities section has 22 links to information. The
> > >>district has put out information (not campaign material) about the
>process
> > >>and the bond over the course of the FPC's work. My facilities file is
> > >>five inches thick; not one document is secret. The website's
>facilities
> > >>section has been continually updated. The FPC has produced a number
>of
> > >>articles and handouts about the process and the bond. I wrote a few
>of
> > >>them. You may have just received the MSD newsletter, School
>Connections,
> > >>with several pages of facilities/bond info. Many folks, myself
>included,
> > >>have attended MSD and/or FPC public forums, open houses, and
>worksessions
> > >>about the bond and the process leading up to it. All were well
>advertised.
> > >> CQE recently produced a flyer about the bond, including a "did they
> > >>consider?" section for the FAQ connoisseurs among us. I and Dr.
>Donicht
> > >>and many others have given numerous radio and newspaper interviews.
>And,
> > >>as you all know, I've spent a bit of time lately on Vision 2020,
>trying to
> > >>answer questions.
> > >>
> > >>The inclination of some to not avail themselves of information
>regarding
> > >>the bond does not equal a disinclination on the part of the district
>to
> > >>operate with integrity. On the contrary, if we're trying to
>stonewall,
> > >>then I'd say we're doing a damned poor job of it.
> > >>
> > >>keely
> > >>
> > >>But we're not. It's been there, it is there, and
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanarnold at hotmail.com>
> > >>To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Nuclear Option (re: School Levy)
> > >>Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:27:57 -0700
> > >>
> > >>Humm, perhaps that is because the MSD did not create a website that
>had
> > >>FAQ. If you did that, you would not be asked 500 questions.
> > >>
> > >>When your plan is unclear, documents are not available, and you ask
>for a
> > >>lot of money, "You should been there" does not tow the line for a
>"yes"
> > >>vote. And even if it is passed, we still want to know the answers, it
>is
> > >>our money.
> > >>
> > >>When the Graduate Students at UI have a big proposal we create a
>website
> > >>with questions and background about the issue. Let people look at
> > >>everything and ask questions. We also do not say question are stupid.
> > >>Because when we do that, it makes other people fearful to ask
>questions.
> > >>Then we never get the questions we should be asked. Rule number one is
>if
> > >>one person asks a question, ten others are thinking the same thing.
> > >>
> > >>If your are getting 500 questions and they are the same 500 questions,
> > >>that ought to say something about the planning and dispersion of
> > >>information, not the people asking the questions.
> > >>
> > >>Take Care,
> > >>
> > >>Donovan J Arnold
> > >>
> > >>>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> > >>>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Nuclear Option (re: School Levy)
> > >>>Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:59:02 -0700
> > >>>
> > >>>Ya know, maybe since questions are being asked and answers ARE being
> > >>>given but not listened to perhaps this needs to end. The questions
>below
> > >>>have been repeatedly answered - I believe the problem is they are not
>the
> > >>>answers being sought. It's kinda like a conspiracy theory that keeps
> > >>>coming up regarding such things as Kennedy, or aliens amongst us,
>etc.
> > >>>No matter how many times the facts are presented, if the person is
>not
> > >>>willing to see what is there as being there, it isn't. Make sence?
> > >>>Neither does this mess.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>From: "Shelly" <CJs at Turbonet.com>
> > >>>>To: <auntiestablishment at hotmail.com>
> > >>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Nuclear Option (re: School Levy)
> > >>>>Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:45:06 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Dear Visionaries:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>.......great investigative reporting by Phil "Gumshoe" Roderick and
>Jack
> > >>>>Doc Holliday" Wenders about those notorious Palouse gangsters, Keely
> > >>>>"Baby
> > >>>>Face" Mix and the Trail family mafia.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>No need for name calling Joan. We are all bigger than that.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>"There is NO $29mil remodel of the high school. The $29mil is for
>the
> > >>>>ENTIRE
> > >>>>remodel/buidling project which includes two elementary schools and
>the
> > >>>>high
> > >>>>school and the new high school If you want a break-down of that,
>then
> > >>>>you
> > >>>>need say so. BTW, that has been supplied to the newspapers, in
> > >>>>newsletters,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>is available at the District Office and was very available on
>Saturday
> > >>>>in
> > >>>>the form of the individual handouts that the architect had for
> > >>>>everyone's
> > >>>>convenience. Did you not get a copy of those? I am sure if you
>went to
> > >>>>the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>District Office and asked NICELY they would direct you to the
>material.
> > >>>>I
> > >>>>believe they are/will be available at the individual schools also."
> > >>>>
> > >>>>It is broken down on the new high school how about the old high
>school
> > >>>>remodel. " That is what we keep asking for. Over and over and over.
> > >>>>Without
> > >>>>getting answers it does look like a cartel and acts like one. Maybe
>you
> > >>>>could ask and see if they tell you anything different? Ask exactly
>what
> > >>>>I
> > >>>>asked them for.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>1) "I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COST BREAKDOWN FROM THE ARCHITECT OF THE
> > >>>>20,500
> > >>>>000.00 "REMODEL" OF THE EXISTING HIGH SCHOOL."
> > >>>>
> > >>>>2) "I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE "DIRECTIVE" FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD TO THE
> > >>>>ARCHITECT "DIRECTING" HOW THE BID IS TO BE DONE."
> > >>>>
> > >>>>..................Once the bond is approved, is there any particular
> > >>>>reason
> > >>>>we can't begin a fresh argument over where to locate it? NO so if
>you go> >>>>into the grocery store and none of the prices are posted and
>you pick up
> > >>>>everything you need and throw it in your shopping cart and ya get to
>the
> > >>>>cash register and ya find out ya only have enough money for half of
>what
> > >>>>ya
> > >>>>got.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Yes, this is sad that the elementary schools will lose out on the
>levy
> > >>>>because of wanting a new high school. Maybe they should just ask for
>a
> > >>>>levy
> > >>>>on the elementary schools and not the high school? I bet the vote
>might
> > >>>>be
> > >>>>different. I understand the way the levy is written they can move
>the
> > >>>>money
> > >>>>anywhere they seem fit. So - we are not guaranteed any money is
>going to
> > >>>>the
> > >>>>elementary schools, period.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Also -- and this is a big also -- here's the complete 411 on this
>levy:
> > >>>>West
> > >>>>Park and Russell are crumbling. They're inadequate. It is my
> > >>>>understanding
> > >>>>that they are not in compliance with the ADA. What's more, it would
>be
> > >>>>cheaper by far to scrap them both and build a new elementary school
>at
> > >>>>the
> > >>>>Joseph Street site So why don't we?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Next levy.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Well, I'd say it's because the Moscow School Board is sensitive to
>the
> > >>>>emotional and aesthetic attachment many of us feel for West Park
>and/or
> > >>>>Russell. (With regard to Russell in particular, its aesthetic
>appeal,
> > >>>>history and location seem to be of paramount concern to many. And
>I'm
> > >>>>glad
> > >>>>for this. I think Russell is a beautiful school, and it would pain
>me
> > >>>>to
> > >>>>lose it.)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Pains me to lose the aesthetically pleasing high school.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>.............disingenuous, disinformation websites like
> > >>>>www.moscowlevy.com
> > >>>>and www.moscoweducation.org.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>I see nothing but honesty and integrity from both of these websites.
>No
> > >>>>dog
> > >>>>and pony show. Just the facts.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>You know there might be plenty of money already in the school
>coffer.
> > >>>>How
> > >>>>come the school board is not prudently using our tax money to help
>these
> > >>>>poor elementary schools?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Just asking for the facts. Nothing more. Is the truth insulting?
> > >>>>Sorry......
> > >>>>.....the tide continues to rise as long as people ignore questions
>the
> > >>>>public want answered..
> > >>>>
> > >>>>This outcome would certainly please Dale Courtney and Jack Wenders
>(both
> > >>>>of
> > >>>>whom were extensively, if ironically, educated on the public dime),
>but
> > >>>>how
> > >>>>many of the rest of us would be dancing in the streets? Precious
>few, I
> > >>>>suspect; precious few.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>I think there are plenty more people that would like this levy not
>to
> > >>>>pass.
> > >>>>We will all shortly know.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>How about you ask the question(s) and see where you get?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>1) "I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COST BREAKDOWN FROM THE ARCHITECT OF THE
> > >>>>20,500
> > >>>>000.00 "REMODEL" OF THE EXISTING HIGH SCHOOL."
> > >>>>
> > >>>>2) "I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE "DIRECTIVE" FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD TO THE
> > >>>>ARCHITECT "DIRECTING" HOW THE BID IS TO BE DONE."
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Phil
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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