[Vision2020] 1912 Levy Issues

[Timothy Rigsby]

Phil:

The physical education you received is not the physical education of today.  
Students still perform well in sit-ups, push-ups, running etc, however, PE has been 
diversified to include activities that would be considered lifetime activities.  A
PE instructor is more than the coach with his newspaper and whistle around his neck.
PE teachers now have to combat future disease for example, diabetes, obesity, CVD, etc.
In order for PE teachers to do this effectively, we must get students excited and 
involved in activities that they find interest in.  How often do you participate 
in the activities that you did in high school PE?  Do you still climb the rope Phil?  

I can guarantee that most of the students in MHS Outdoor Ed will continue to work on
the skills they have learned using UI facilities.  Wall Climbing is a new craze and 
walls are being built all over the place.  Even at McDonald and Lena Whitmore, climbing
holds have been installed so climbing can be introduced at younger ages.  Not only 
climbing, but all of the other activities presented to MHS Outdoor Ed have the 
potential to develop into lifetime activities.  

Look at other school curriculums of PE.  Salmon High School won model school of the year for 2004 based entirely on their outdoor education program.  The students at Salmon kayak, wall climb, ski, and participate in various other outdoor 
activities.  Even students at Boise High School participate in Outdoor Education.  Granted Boise has a few more options for outdoor pursuits, but the same general activities take place all throughout the state.  Wall Climbing, Fly Fishing, Biking, etc. are not luxuries by any measure.  If anything, they are required activities for student enjoyment and achievement.   

Walking is not considered vigorous physical activity.  In order for vigorous physical
activity to take place, a person’s heart rate has to be at or near their maximum HR.
Students have learned how to calculate their Max HR and they use this number along 
with HR monitors to monitor their level of physical activity.  Yes, some students could
walk and achieve vigorous physical activity, but that is not likely.  Also, if the 
students were forced to walk to UI daily for class; the likely result would be one of
two things; 1. Students would get bored with walking and would not sign up for PE, 
especially since PE is no longer a required course in Idaho, or 2. Safety concerns
would prevent a class from walking to UI.  Any sane principal will not allow their
students to walk through morning downtown traffic to get to UI.  Bussing is the only
safe alternative to get students to UI not only safely but as a group.  Also, if the 
students walked to UI, they would further cut into their activity time.  It takes an
average person 12-15 minutes to walk a mile, and at most 5-7 minutes to drive that 
same distance through town.  

It is not UI's responsibility to pay for a high school.  UI helps public school 
students in various other ways besides paying taxes.  How many times have Vandal 
Athletes served as role models for elementary students?  How often do you see UI 
College of Education students volunteering their time in the schools to help teach
the children of Moscow?  I personally have spent nearly 300 hours of volunteer time 
in the Moscow schools, volunteering my time with no compensation other than the joy 
of watching children learn.  Mike Kinziger, Recreation Professor at UI, hosts 500-600
elementary students each year in the Kibbie Dome to play games with college students.
Do these three activities not benefit the children in the schools and the schools in
general?

The State of Idaho is like every other state in the US, they do not have enough money
to please everyone and build a school for every deserving district.  Look at the 
problem Troy faced with the state.  There is still never ending litigation between
schools and the state.  Is this right, no, but provide me a better solution to fix
this problem than saying that UI or the state should pay for schools.

Phil your never ending complaining about how the UI is trying to screw you will get you 
no where.  All you are going to do is drive people away from your business on your own.
NO, UI should not open a pub on campus, that is not their job as an institution.  
Plus the Board of Regents and State Board would not allow it based upon their rules and
bylaws.  Without UI there would be no CJ's dance club.  Students won't drive from
Pullman, Lewiston, or Clarkston to come to CJ's, especially if UI was not here.  
You should be thanking UI for bringing you business and always providing you with a 
never ending supply of students who like to drink and dance.  John's Alley seems to be
doing okay, I mean they are putting more money into their building to make it more
attractive than any other place in town.  I don't hear Vertical Dave or Jordan 
complaining about the idea of a campus pub driving their patrons away.  This is 
not Florida St, we will not see a campus pub anytime soon.

The campus eateries do pay taxes, as they are not owned by the University.  All of the 
food at UI is contracted out to outside organizations.  If Mingles wanted to open up
shop or Pita Pit or any other restaurant in town, they could.  Latah Federal Credit 
Union has a branch on campus.  The Prospector went out of business because of shoddy
business practices, not because UI opened a food court.  I remember the Prospector 
being full at mid day with students and faculty alike, eating, drinking and having a
good time.  Don't blame business going under on UI, without UI, business would not 
survive in Moscow.

Blame Wal-Mart and the proposed Moscow Home Depot for putting out business on 
the Palouse, not UI.

Tim  



----- Original Message -----
From: Shelly <CJs at Turbonet.com>
Date: Saturday, April 2, 2005 4:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] 1912 Levy Issues

> Tim,
> 
> 
> 
> I am pleased to see that the University "our tax dollars" are 
> being used at
> a fine facility I must add. When I was in High School, we did not 
> have wall
> climbing, fly fishing, in line hockey, biking, camping, but we did 
> have a
> tennis court. You asked me about a primer climbing wall. We never 
> had a wall
> to climb. These are luxury's in my book. We did it the old fashion 
> way. Sit
> ups, push ups, jumping jacks, squats, running in place and running 
> aroundthe neighborhood. Do other High Schools offer all these fine 
> classes? 
> 
> 
> 
> Regarding "physical activity" you are only bussing them less than 
> a mile I
> think. Just think if they "walked" they would have their 150 
> minutes in
> physical activity. Then there would be no expense for gas.
> 
> 
> 
> If you really want a new High School it could be funded if the 
> Universitywas forced to pay taxes on everything it has taken off 
> the rolls. Forget
> what they say about "portions" being paid. I pay it all. They 
> should pay it
> all. Don't raise our citizen taxes any higher. Make the state or the
> University pay for the new High School.
> 
> 
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------Original Message-------
> 
> 
> 
> From: Timothy Rigsby
> 
> Date: 04/02/05 16:07:57
> 
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> 
> Subject: [Spam] [Vision2020] 1912 Levy Issues
> 
> 
> 
> Phil:
> 
> 
> 
> I don't know about the downfalls of the science lab, but I do know 
> that if
> the
> 
> science lab is not up to par, it is not the only facility at MHS 
> that would
> fall
> 
> into this category.
> 
> 
> 
> The Physical Education Department, for whom I have worked 
> extensively with
> this
> 
> school year, is lacking proper and safe facilities as well.  Ms. Karla
> Harman
> 
> busses her students to the University of Idaho Tuesday-Friday to 
> participate
> in Outdoor Education classes.  Ms. Harman?s students receive 
> instruction on
> 
> Wall Climbing, Fly Fishing, Inline Hockey, Biking, Camping, and 
> RacquetSports to
> 
> name a few activities.  I doubt very seriously that even with a 
> remodel of
> the
> 
> 1912 center, that these activities could take place in the 
> remodeled space. 
> Would
> 
> you be willing to let students play inline hockey at CJ?s instead of
> building a
> 
> new building?
> 
> 
> 
> Not only is Ms. Harman taking her students off campus, but Mr. 
> Amos and Ms.
> Barnes
> 
> are as well.  Bussing students off campus takes away from the 
> student?s
> activity time.  According to the governing authority of Physical 
> Education,
> NASPE, students should receive a minimum of 150 minutes per week 
> in vigorous
> 
> physical activity.  By bussing students, we are cutting their 
> classroom time
> to
> 
> about 35 or 40 minutes per day.  Once you figure instruction or
> demonstration
> 
> and introduction of new skills, the students may only get about 20 
> to 25
> minutes
> 
> of vigorous activity time.  100 minutes per week is nowhere near 
> the NASPE
> standard
> 
> of 150 minutes.
> 
> 
> 
> Considering that Unleaded gas is running $2.19 today per gallon 
> and diesel
> is
> 
> sitting right around $2.70, so I hear, I think that building this 
> new school
> 
> would help cut down considerably on the fuel cost to bus these 
> students to
> far
> 
> off playing fields and gymnasiums.
> 
> 
> 
> If this bond passes, and I hope to hell it will, the students will 
> more than
> 
> likely not have to be bussed daily off campus to participate in 
> activity
> classes.  Granted, in order for wall climbing to take place, they 
> will still
> 
> get bussed to UI, but this unit is typically only three weeks with the
> students
> 
> bussed a maximum of 15 times.  When you were in school Phil, were you
> climbing up
> 
> a premier climbing wall, learning to fly fish, or playing games 
> such as
> Omnikin
> 
> Ball or Pickleball?  You probably don?t even know what Pickleball 
> or Kin
> ball are
> 
> do you?  Students at MHS have one heck of a physical education 
> program and
> 
> are extremely fortunate to have what little facilities they have 
> as is. 
> Giving
> 
> these students a new school that is light years ahead of where 
> they are now
> will
> 
> not only help the morale of the students but also will help 
> further the
> 
> educational opportunities these students are missing out on.
> 
> 
> 
> Tim Rigsby
> 
> Student, University of Idaho
> 
> College of Education
> 
> Physical Education, School & Community Health Education, and Sport 
> Science
> 
> 
> 
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