Fwd: [Vision2020] Re: PERSI REPORT
Donovan Arnold
donovanarnold at hotmail.com
Sat Oct 9 19:01:19 PDT 2004
Debbie,
Those a perfectly acceptable reasons for missing work. I did not know that,
nor was it stated in this thread or topic. Mr. Trail has stated he has a
clean bill of health. So I assumed he wasn't leaving for medical reasons.
And I thank you for doing all that research and listing it on line for me
and the others on this forum.
I however, being stubborn, disagree with having Bennett, who votes the
opposite of the way Trail tells him to, and Young, who is a radical ousted
by the people of Moscow, being his replacements.
I did get that your statement was a joke, I even stated that in my email.
Call me a tight wad, but I don't think we should joke about stuff like that.
I don't want to see any candidate be under any direct, or indirect,
political pressure to produce medical records for public view. You have
created that environment, regardless of intent. I don't like to see this
just like I don't like to see people joke about forced sex, committing
suicide, or blowing up a building. You just don't joke about that stuff in a
public forum.
Take Care and "we" thank you ;),
Donovan J Arnold
>From: Debbie Gray <dgray at uidaho.edu>
>To: Donovan Arnold <donovanarnold at hotmail.com>
>CC: Tom Trail <ttrail at moscow.com>, vision2020 at whale2.fsr.net
>Subject: RE: Fwd: [Vision2020] Re: PERSI REPORT
>Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 16:24:07 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Mr Trail missed some time in office due to medical reasons, that is why he
>had Mr. Bennett and Mr. Young fill in for him.
>
>From http://infotrail.com/idaho/Feb_23-27/feb_23-27.html
>"On Monday I will go to St. Al's Hospital for a surgical procedure, and be
>out for a week. Dr. Earl Bennett, retired Dean of the U. of I.'s College
>of Mines will be my substitute. "
>
>That is what I was talking about. That is one time when Mr. Bennet filled
>in for him. Here's another:
>http://infotrail.com/idaho/Mar_1-5/mar_1-5.html
>As you may know, I had an angiogram performed last Monday. I am grateful
>for all of your kind thoughts and prayers. The results from this test
>were very positive and I will return to work this Monday. I thank Earl
>Bennett for acting as my substitute in my absence this week.
>
>And here's when Gary Young filled in for him:
>http://infotrail.com/idaho2003/March_24-28/march_24-28.html
> I will be leaving the Legislature on April 3rd. Our grandson, Matthew,
>age 17 months has been suffering from Russell-Silver Syndrome since birth,
>and he had a recent setback. We feel our place is with Matthew and his
>family.
>
>These seem like excellent reasons to be absent from office. I am not sure
>what absences you are talking about because you just randomly throw out
>'donovan facts' that are hard to verify. What WERE you talking about?
>
>Furthermore, in regard to my comment about Mr. Solomon posting his health
>records, I do not want to know about his health, I do not care about his
>health, though I hope he is healthy. However, in the past he has made
>quite a point of posting his financial records to this forum. Since Tom
>Trial has his cardiologists report, I jokingly thought perhaps medical
>records would be next. It was a joke. Maybe you didn't get it. Maybe you
>thought it was disgusting. I really don't care. How you make the leap to
>me demanding proof of medical records for employment boggles my mind. You
>often boggle my mind.
>
>And we do thank you for referring to we, meaning me, as the royal we, I
>shall now talk in a pinched british accent the rest of the day.
>
>Debbie
>
>On Sat, 9 Oct 2004, Donovan Arnold wrote:
>
> > Ms. Gray,
> >
> > Do we have selective reading? Are you reading things that people didn't
> > write? Are you making assumptions about people?
> >
> > Please tell me exactly where it is that anybody said that Mr.Trail was
>gone
> > under the Americans with Disabilities Act? Who is harassing Mr Trail for
> > taking a medical leave of absence? Who is harassing Mr. Trail for taking
> > care of his Family?
> >
> > I seem to recall stating that if Mr. Trail is NOT gone for Medical
>Reasons,
> > then 3 weeks is a long time. The Americans with Disabilities Act, and
>the
> > Family Leave of Absence are medical reasons. Reasons which Mr. Trail
>says he
> > doesn't qualify under.
> >
> > I happen to think that if someone is gone, a great deal of time, who is
>not
> > gone for a medical reasons, is not doing their job. I expect that they
>ran
> > for the job because they wanted to represent us and people voted for
>them,
> > lie me, because they wanted to be represented by him and expect him to
>be
> > there.
> >
> > If Mr. Trail is having to leave for medical reasons, I would accept that
>as
> > reason for someone being gone. Being sick, or taking care or needy
>family
> > member qualifies as a medical reason. If Mr. Trail has a disability,
>then we
> > should make sure that he is given all the accommodations he needs to do
>his
> > job in Representing the people of Latah County.
> >
> > Mr. Trail just said in his email, that he is in perfect health. If he is
>in
> > perfect health, why is he missing representing Moscow Residents?
> >
> > I think it is absurd and unacceptable for you to accuse people of
>ignoring
> > the American Disabilities Act, and the Family Leave of Absence, when in
>fact
> > this isn't even a issue in conversation. Your situation is not Mr.
>Trails
> > situation.
> >
> > Are Representatives to be allowed to represent people in their district
> > whenever they just feel like it, and just take off whenever they want?
>Is
> > your opinion of the people in Moscow so low that you think we don't
>deserve
> > constant and proper representation?
> >
> > Take Care,
> >
> > Donovan J Arnold
> >
> > PS, "I am waiting to see if Mark Solomon will post his medical records
>for
> > the past 15 years."--Is a disgusting statement. I would never require or
>ask
> > anyone to do this. If you asked this of me as a job requirement, I would
> > file charges against you and you would most likely be fired from your
>job.
> > this is unacceptable behavior, especially from someone that values their
>own
> > privacy so much. Even jokingly, this is demented and would be illegal in
>the
> > private sector.
> >
> > >From: Debbie Gray <dgray at uidaho.edu>
> > >To: Donovan Arnold <donovanarnold at hotmail.com>
> > >CC: Tom Trail <ttrail at moscow.com>, vision2020 at whale2.fsr.net
> > >Subject: RE: Fwd: [Vision2020] Re: PERSI REPORT
> > >Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:26:58 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >If this were an employee covered under the Americans with Disabilities
>Act
> > >or the Family Medical Leave Act, I don't see that it would be legal to
> > >harass Mr. Trail for taking medical leave. Why is it justifiable just
> > >because he is an elected official? What if he is dealing with health
> > >issues within his family? That is still none of our business. And
>imagine
> > >if he had ignored family related health issues to stay down in Boise,
> > >wouldn't we be hearing all sorts of criticism about what kind of a
>person
> > >would do that? I've had to take medical leave for my own health
>problems
> > >and those of my family and I've heard plenty of people whine about how
>I
> > >was basically just on vacation. My husband heard smarmy comments when
>he
> > >took off time under the FMLA after both of our children were born. Do
>we
> > >value families or not?
> > >
> > >If you don't want to vote for him, DON'T, but bringing up his medical
> > >business is unacceptable. And now I am waiting to see if Mark Solomon
>will
> > >post his medical records for the past 15 years... =)
> > >
> > >Debbie
> > > >Donovan Arnold wrote:
> > >
> > >1) Mr. Trail's health is his business. However, what is OUR business is
>if
> > >Trail can go to Boise and represent us. It seems to me that Mr.Trail is
> > >always gone. If he is in great health, why is he always handing his
>seat
> > >to someone else? It makes no sense to me why he is in office if he not
> > >going to vote or even go to Boise. I certainly have no problem with him
> > >not making every vote, but three week leaves of absence at a time when
>he
> > >doesn't have health problems seems a bit excessive to me.
> > >
> > >
> > >Debbie
> > >
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> > > Debbie Gray dgray at uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~dgray/
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