[Vision2020] 17,000 average!
Chris Storhok
cstorhok at co.fairbanks.ak.us
Wed Nov 10 10:06:46 PST 2004
Donovan,
Success for the program relies on attracting fans from Spokane, Pullman,
Coeur d'Alene, Hayden, Boise, and beyond. Anyone familiar with the program
is well aware of that as are the hotels, restaurants, gift shops and so
forth. The Cougars have the same challenge, how to attract fans from
Spokane. Market analyses for both schools include a 100 mile radius, the
number of people in that area is over 500,000 and is large enough by
anyone's standard to support 2 major college programs.
Chris Storhok
-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:49 PM
To: thansen at moscow.com; fueledbyramen at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] 17,000 average!
Tom and Mike,
You guys are both being silly. Moscow, including students, only amounts to
about 22,000 people combined. If you count the entire county, you might get
to about 33,000. Yes, you can get people from the surrounding area to come
in also, like Lewiston and Benewah. But let us face facts. Even if you got
every student, 25% of the people even out in Bovill, filled every hotel room
full of Vandal fans, and even got a few people from Lewiston and abroad to
come to EVERY game, you still would be only meeting the bare bone minimum to
be AI.
Do you really think that we could get 50% of Latah to come to every football
game? I don't think so. Besides, where would they park and sit, we don't
have enough restrooms, seats, and parking to legally handle that number.
Take Care,
Donovan J Arnold
>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: "'Mike Weatherford'" <fueledbyramen at hotmail.com>,
><vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] 17,000 average!
>Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 05:59:59 -0800
>
>Mike -
>
>Attendance at football games is not restricted to local citizens, or
>haven't
>you checked local hotels during football weekends?
>
>Tom Hansen
>UI '96
>
>We could learn a lot from crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty, some
>are
>dull, some have weird names, and all are different colors....but they all
>exist very nicely in the same box.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of Mike Weatherford
>Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:13 AM
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] 17,000 average!
>
>Hmmph.
>
> I did a (very small amount of) research, to put that number in
>perspective. I thought that 17,000 seemed a little high, based on the
>population and university enrollment, so I checked around a bit. We have an
>enrollment of around 11,444(based on the UI's own online factbook,) and
>Moscow's population is probably around 23,500 (which is higher than the
>actual figures I found, which sit at around 21-22,000, but are a few years
>old.) That puts the total pool of potential in-town attendees at something
>like 34,944. So, to meet the /average/ requirement of 17,000, we'd have to
>have something like 48.6% of the total potential attendees show up. I mean,
>the turnout we had, based on my numbers is pretty close to 25.8%, using my
>(potentially accurate) system.
>
> Of course, I'm just a relatively uninformed student, crunching numbers
>in
>my head and using the calculator built in to my computer. The fact that
>something is wrong here and that the team doesn't belong in IA should be
>painfully obvious to anyone who actually knows what's going on, right?
>Maybe
>
>they know something I don't? Or maybe the UI Football program is simply
>beating its head against a wall, attempting to keep competing with its
>"rival" university dispite very real tactical and financial considerations
>that imply that doing so is a terrible idea for everyone involved. Yeah,
>maybe that's it.
>
> One other thing, while I'm already complaining: I've long been a fan of
>the idea that athletes should have performance based scholarships. My pal
>Griff suggested this to me, and it's a great idea. I mean, I lose my
>academic scholarships if I slip below a 3.2 gpa. I move that if a team dips
>below a similar athletic performance rating, they lose their sports
>scholarships. If profound financial anxiety helps academic performance (as
>it has arguably helped mine), it should have a similar effect on athletic
>performance. I also think that if the athletics department wants to replace
>perfectly serviceable equipment with shiny new, but unnecessary, stuff,
>then
>
>it should raise the money itself. Want another glass-enclosed weight room?
>Have a bake sale. Wash cars. Sell your mopeds. It'll build character. Then
>they'll appreciate the new gear that much more. That's what my dad always
>told me, and he was right often enough that I trust him.
>
>Part of my problem could be that it's late, or that I'm bitter. Both valid
>possibilities. But I came from a poor high school that constantly poured
>money (money that it didn't have) into it's football team. I'd hoped that I
>would escape that trend when I came to college.
>
>A good morning to you all.
>-Mike
>
> >From: Nicholas Gier <ngier at uidaho.edu>
> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: [Vision2020] 17,000 average!
> >Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:20:41 -0800
> >
> >Greetings from Blue State Capital,
> >
> >All the publicity about UI going to IA explicitly stated that we needed
>to
> >average 17,000 per game, and the 9,000 last Saturday at a homecmoing game
> >simply shows that we do not have the fan or population base to be a IA
> >team.
> >
> >In response to an earlier post about the AFT call for a return to the Big
> >Sky, I did indeed send our piece to Steve Peterson, who said that it did
> >not contain any errors. Steve is a former A+ student of mine and also
>has
> >done economic analyses for the union, but I'm a little concerned about a
> >social scientist now apparently going partisan about IA affiliation.
> >
> >If the UI thinks that it can make money with a IA football team, it is an
> >absurd proposition. As we stated in our position paper, the average
> >deficit in IA programs after appropriated funds are substracted is
> >$237,000, and only about six programs actually make money. And at the UI
> >there are all sorts of hidden costs: maintaining the Kibbie Dome, etc.
> >Even if they raise private money for a new stadium, the UI will still be
> >stuck with maintenance costs, etc.
> >
> >If we have to stop this madness now.
> >
> >Go Big Sky Vandals!
> >
> >Nick Gier
> >
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