[Vision2020] Conspiracy?

[Donovan Arnold]

Scott,

You write, "And yet as Dan pointed out, the Dems have the same sort of 
inconsistencies with no restrictions on some things and too many 
restrictions on other things."

You also write, "What I can't understand is why are limited to voting for 
extreme conservatives or extreme liberals?  I'd like to see more moderates 
on both sides."

First off, I don't think there are any inconsistencies in the Democratic 
Party as compared to that of the Republican Party.

Republicans are for less government yet want to control the lives of people. 
There is a huge inconsistency here. Expanding government for the purposing 
of checking on what books people read and who they are sleeping with but not 
for the purposes of maintaining safety and security is rather ironic and 
inconsistent.

Republicans also claim to be for JESUS. Yet they go against many of his 
teachings. Jesus says love thy neighbor, not bomb thy neighbor. Jesus says 
forgive people, yet they are for execution of 12 year olds with mental 
retardation. Republicans block legislation for the elderly getting 
medication from places like Canada. They are for going to war with people 
just because they don't like their government or want lower prices for 
goods. Executing 12 year olds or even adults that have IQs below 70 is 
rather pointless, cruel, and reflection of how our society is doesn't take 
care of or watch those that need help. This is not Christian, this is 
Satanic.

They also go against the Lord's preaching of render unto Caesar what is 
Caesar's's. Not only do Republicans refuse to pay their fair share, but wish 
to take the income and future earnings of their children and their 
children's children. This is very disobedient to God.

Perhaps the biggest problem, is that of Abortion. Anyone that thinks that 
abortion would stop because it is made illegal has got to be living in a 
fantasy world of their own. For about $35 you can get a pill like RU-487 
from France and have an abortion, these would flood the US market the moment 
abortion became illegal. The way to end abortion is to educate people about 
birth control and provide women with economic opportunities while raising 
children without a father and end discrimination against single mothers. If 
you end incentives to have an abortion, you reduce the number of abortions. 
What most anti-abortionists fail to comprehend is that their efforts to give 
control of your reproductive organs to that of the state would more likely 
lead to wholesale massive forced abortions as the US population rapidly 
approaches 1/2 billion in this century long before it would reduce the 
number of abortions.

To show the outright cruelty of the Republican party, as though wholesale 
bombing of Iraqi citizens was not evidence enough, just look at what they 
did in 11 swing states this election. They wanted to pass amendments to 
state constitutions that not just defined and altered marriage, but that 
outright denied gay couples hospital visitation rights, and rights over 
their own property. That is just plain cruel and inhumane to say the least.

I can think of little, if any, polices that the Republicans are for that are 
good for the nation, moral, or children in this country, or the world for 
that matter. They are not even for a balanced budget. What kind of nonsense 
is that!

Democrats are not perfect. I agree. Right now, I am not even sure what 
policies Democrats are representing. I think the 49% just support the 
Democrats because they oppose the evil, non-Christian, inhumane, policies 
that are selling the future of this nation down the river sponsored and 
pushed by the Republican Party.

If you want moderate than you want Democrats. Democrats are moderate in 
comparison to the rest of the western civilization. No other western 
civilization has such a problem with gays, guns, and abortion. The US is the 
last hold out of moving forward. It is embarrassing that our nation is full 
of hillbilly rednecks that consider killing and hating the path to Jesus.

Take Care,

Donovan J Arnold


Donovan J Arnold








>From: Scott Dredge <sdredge at yahoo.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Conspiracy?
>Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 01:10:02 -0800 (PST)
>
>Donovan,
>
>The Republicans are not as evil as you think and nor
>are the Democrats as good.  Both parties have
>strengths and weaknesses and there is not a "one size
>fits all solution" for both rural and urban living.
>Personally, I agree with a lot of Republican policies.
>  I just wish they were more consistent.  Such as, when
>they push for smaller government, why is it that they
>want a big government to be involved in some of the
>most personal issues like restricting relationships
>and reproductive rights?
>
>And yet as Dan pointed out, the Dems have the same
>sort of inconsistencies with no restrictions on some
>things and too many restrictions on other things.
>
>What I can't understand is why are limited to voting
>for extreme conservatives or extreme liberals?  I'd
>like to see more moderates on both sides.
>
>-Scott
>
>--- Donovan Arnold <donovanarnold at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Life ain't all that bad.  And I'd still be living
> > it the same way if the
> > other guy got in."-- Dan Carscallen
> >
> > Therein lies the problem. We will continue to live
> > our lives destroying the
> > future and quality of life of future generations,
> > here and aboard.
> >
> > This points to the major differences between that of
> > Democrats and
> > Republicans. Democrats want to save trees, rivers
> > and streams, they want to
> > balance the budget, and work out differences without
> > war. They want to
> > invest in social engineering, such as schools,
> > parks, Social Security, and
> > hospitals. Republicans want to invest in guns, bombs
> > and grenades. They want
> > to spend all their money and then the money of their
> > children, grandchildren
> > and great-grandchildren. They want to cut
> > educational funding, and wage war
> > against those that disagree with them in how they
> > live their lives. They
> > want the government to control the lives of people
> > in this country, and
> > those outside this country.
> >
> > The biggest difference is that Democrats want a
> > better future for their
> > children and the world. Republicans want a better
> > life for themselves now
> > and without fear, concern or consequence of those
> > lives they destroy in the
> > process today or tomorrow.
> >
> > This is the fundamental difference in ideology
> > between the two parties. One
> > appeals to selfishness, the other appeals to
> > selflessness.
> >
> > Ask not what you can for yourself, for that would
> > make you a Republican, ask
> > what you can do others.
> >
> > Take Care,
> >
> > Donovan J Arnold
> >
>
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