[Vision2020] RE: Dialog [was New and improved headlines]

Thu Nov 4 10:08:20 PST 2004

I have to say that Dan is a good example of "disageeing without being 
disagreeable."  I differ from Dan regarding politics, but he's always 
expressed his views without stooping to personal attacks.  I applaud him for 
it.  (Although, with the exception of Vandal football and the Mariners, he's 
horribly, disgustingly, reproachfully, scandalously wrong on absolutely 
everything.  Joking....just joking....)                                      

     Carl Westberg Jr.

>From: "Dan Carscallen" <predator75 at moscow.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: [Vision2020] RE: Dialog [was New and improved headlines]
>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:47:52 -0800
>
>I never said I supported the war, Sunil.  I support President Bush for
>other reasons than his handling of Iraq.  Is it a quagmire?  Yes.  Did
>we win?  Yes, we won against Saddam's army.  Unfortunately, we're
>fighting guerillas now, and that gets quagmire-ific.  As to Iraq's
>economic planning, that's their problem once they get their new
>government up and running.  As soon as they get their feet under them,
>I'm all for us pulling out of there.  Although, I don't have a problem
>with us having a permanent base there, just like we have in many other
>foreign countries around the world.  Just as long as we are insured
>uninterrupted flow of oil, they can do whatever they want with their
>economy over there.
>
>I'm not saying that people can't disagree.  You think I'm wrong in some
>of my beliefs, as I think what you think is wrong in some cases.  If we
>all thought the same thoughts, it'd be a pretty boring place.  The
>problem is when people disagree and then resort to the name calling,
>incivility, discourtesy, and general lack of respect for their views.
>While I may disagree with what some people (okay, MOST people) on
>vision2020 think, I do respect their views.  Hell, I don't even have
>problems with extending benefits to same-sex partners.  Matter of fact,
>I'd go even further on that, allowing other "domestic partnerships" have
>benefits extended toward them as well.  But that's another topic.
>
>agreeing to disagree,
>
>DC
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sunil Ramalingam [mailto:sunilramalingam at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:24 AM
>To: predator75 at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Dialog [was New and improved headlines]
>
>
>Dan,
>I've tried to ask you questions without calling you stupid,and you won't
>answer them.  I've asked you about the way we are handling Iraq,
>specifically economic planning and how long our troops will remain
>there, and haven't had a reply yet.  You support the war, I oppose it,
>but we're still there and we have to deal with it.
>I don't want it to be a quagmire, and I am sure you don't either.  What
>I've been trying to do is have a dialog about what is happening there
>and where we see it headed. Today you say that people like me need to
>try to talk without telling the folks I disagree with that they are
>wrong.  Fine, I'm trying to do that, and now I'd be happy if you would
>respond.
>I don't think we have any hope of setting up a democratic government if
>we prevent the new Iraqi government from making economic decisions, or
>from asking us to leave.  I think that will prevent that government from
>having legitimacy with Iraqis, and will be seen as a puppet.  If our
>government took orders from a foreign state, I think you would doubt
>that it is serving you. If you think my theories are wrong, I'm
>interested in knowing why.
>
>Sunil
> >From: "Dan Carscallen" <predator75 at moscow.com>
> >To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] New and improved headlines
> >Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:45:27 -0800
> >
> >Ted writes:
> >
> >". . . without Bush's huge campaign coffers, no victory.
> >
> >"Do I have it wrong?  Please tell me I do!"
> >
> >
> >seems the big coffers don't always pull it out, since the Dems put
> >double the money the Reps did into Ohio.
> >
> >While I'm not sure we need to do a lot of "healing", per se, I do think
>
> >the "left" (for lack of a better term) needs to work on how they get
> >their message out.  Right now, it seems they are telling people they
>are
> >wrong for thinking differently than they do, and the only way the
> >opposition will be smart is if they vote the way the left says to.
> >Rather than calling people stupid and being so (seemingly) angry about
> >everything, sit down and talk to people about the differences and try
>to
> >convince them in a friendly way.
> >
> >In my not-so-political-scientific-type opinion, Kerry lost because he
> >kept saying how the other guy was bad and what he was doing wrong,
> >rather than telling what he was going to do ("I have a plan!") and
> >getting people to believe in him.
> >
> >But what do I know?  I'm just a regular guy who'd rather be out in the
> >woods than doing anything political.
> >
> >DC
> >
> >
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