Ted's Re: [Vision2020] Wilson is not a great mind, and neither am I

[Eric Engerbretson]

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Ted, thanks for the thoughts.  Yes, it would be much clearer, and=20
accurate, if instead of referring to yourself as non-religious
you would refer to yourself as non-organizedly-religious.

Eric E.


On May 27, 2004, at 1:39 PM, Tbertruss@aol.com wrote:

>
>  Melynda:
>
>  Your post on religions, worldviews, and the complexities involved=20
> raises many excellent points for parsing this discussion.
>
>  Eric would insist that all values arise from some sort of "religious"=20=

> orientation.=A0 To follow this line of thinking we would need to =
define=20
> what we mean by "religion," a daunting task perhaps.=A0
>
>  Some make the distinction I have heard often between "spirituality"=20=

> and "religion."=A0 Many people I have talked to claim to be spiritual=20=

> but not religious.=A0 And what does this exactly mean?=A0 I won't dive =
too=20
> deep into these waters now, except to say that some view religion as=20=

> an organized social/political power structure, created by human=20
> beings, built around a metaphysical and/or transcendent supernatural=20=

> oriented ideology, while spirituality is less defined by organized=20
> social/political institutions, is more of a unique personal=20
> experience, perhaps undefinable by an individual but profound and deep=20=

> nonetheless.=A0 This attempt at defining these terms is no doubt=20
> seriously lacking!
>
>  Melynda is right that I tend to reject "religion" as defined above.=A0=20=

> But I consider myself a deeply "spiritual" person, indeed more=20
> (humble, ain't I?) so than many of the true believers in organized=20
> religion who I have met.=A0 This aspect of my life prompts sympathy =
for=20
> many believers in organized religion, though I cannot accept what I=20
> consider many of the irrational aspects of said organized religions,=20=

> nor the corruption and deception involved in the social/political=20
> power structures involved.
>
>  I am aware how lacking what I just wrote is as an attempt to explore=20=

> these issues, but hey...it's only V2020.
>
>  Ted Moffett
>
>


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Ted, thanks for the thoughts.  Yes, it would be much clearer, and
accurate, if instead of referring to yourself as non-religious

you would refer to yourself as non-organizedly-religious.


Eric E.



On May 27, 2004, at 1:39 PM, Tbertruss@aol.com wrote:


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Melynda:</smaller></fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller> Your post on religions,
worldviews, and the complexities involved raises many excellent points
for parsing this discussion.</smaller></fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller> Eric would insist that all
values arise from some sort of "religious" orientation.=A0 To follow
this line of thinking we would need to define what we mean by
"religion," a daunting task perhaps.=A0</smaller></fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller> Some make the distinction I
have heard often between "spirituality" and "religion."=A0 Many people I
have talked to claim to be spiritual but not religious.=A0 And what does
this exactly mean?=A0 I won't dive too deep into these waters now,
except to say that some view religion as an organized social/political
power structure, created by human beings, built around a metaphysical
and/or transcendent supernatural oriented ideology, while spirituality
is less defined by organized social/political institutions, is more of
a unique personal experience, perhaps undefinable by an individual but
profound and deep nonetheless.=A0 This attempt at defining these terms
is no doubt seriously lacking!</smaller></fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller> Melynda is right that I tend
to reject "religion" as defined above.=A0 But I consider myself a deeply
"spiritual" person, indeed more (humble, ain't I?) so than many of the
true believers in organized religion who I have met.=A0 This aspect of
my life prompts sympathy for many believers in organized religion,
though I cannot accept what I consider many of the irrational aspects
of said organized religions, nor the corruption and deception involved
in the social/political power structures =
involved.</smaller></fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller> I am aware how lacking what
I just wrote is as an attempt to explore these issues, but hey...it's
only V2020.</smaller></fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller> Ted =
Moffett</smaller></fontfamily>



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208-883-0997 (CCM, leave message)

516 S Main, Moscow ID 83843

eric@eric-e.com

http://www.ccmbooks.org


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