[Vision2020] Re: NSA student scores, Mr. Gier

[Yeah It's me again]

It is my opinion that the religion that is being preached at NSA died out at 
Appomatox Court House in 1865.

Tom Hansen

> 
> On May 14, 2004, at 4:00 PM, Tbertruss@aol.com wrote:
> 
> >
> >  When I find evidence that some NSA students are showing independence
> 
> > of thought enough to challenge the prevailing thinking at NSA 
> > regarding women's or gay rights, to pick two salient issues, I will 
> > acknowledge the education being promoted there is worthy of the term
> 
> > "higher education."  In the meantime, I don''t care how high the
> test 
> > scores are or how many doctorates pad down the halls.  Open minded
> 
> > inquiry where all arguments and viewpoints well presented receive a 
> > fair hearing is not necessarily dependent on test scores or IQs or 
> > PhDs.
> >
> >  Are there any NSA students receiving academic awards for well 
> > reasoned arguments promoting gay rights or feminism, even from a 
> > Christian Biblical orientation?  Such arguments do exist in the
> world 
> > of Christian scholarship.
> >
> >  Evidence of this would perhaps persuade me to regard NSA as more than
> 
> > an institution of high brow religious propaganda.
> >
> >  Are the students filtered out before they are accepted into NSA to 
> > assure a certain conformity of viewpoint?  And does not this 
> > limitation of diversity (oh dear, not that word again!) impact the 
> > capability for NSA to provide an education about the whole world as 
> > people really live it, Christian and Jew, Muslim and Hindu, Buddhist,
> 
> > atheist and agnostic?
> >
> >  Prove me wrong!
> >
> >  Ted Moffet
> 
> Ted, you won't find NSA students promoting gay rights or your 
> understanding of "women's rights" because what they are selling is a 
> Christian education based on a specific (although worldwide and 
> scholarly) interpretation of the Bible. It is a religious education. 
> But to then say that therefore it is not a "higher education" but a 
> lower form of education is simply you putting your religious dogma and
> 
> propaganda on them.  You would be the first to say that people should 
> never impose their religious dogma on others-- but those words can't 
> pass your lips without you doing the same thing as you speak.  So your
> 
> "neutral" schools that are preaching a certain religious idea of 
> sexuality and a certain religious idea of maleness and femaleness, are
> 
> just as religious as NSA-- it's just a religion based on the myth of 
> neutrality.  It is time to wake up and realize that everyone has a 
> worldview, and even the worldview that all worldviews are equally valid
> 
> is a worldview! We're all religious, aware of it or not!
> 
> Everyone will go to the school that is closest to the religion that 
> makes them feel comfortable, whether that is Berkely, MIT or Bob Jones.
> 
> But if you want to measure schools for quality, you have to use 
> objective standards!  You can't hand out the trophies at a college 
> track meet based on runner's opinions on sexuality. You use a 
> stopwatch. Same with judging a college.  You test them on the three 
> "R's" and the specifications of their major.  But puhleez stop 
> pretending that modern humanism isn't religious.
> 
> Of course, NSA isn't providing a balanced education. That is because 
> there is no college on earth that does. Every faculty has leanings and
> 
> every curricula has biases.  Do you really think that the NSA students
> 
> haven't heard most of the "arguments and viewpoints" that a "balanced 
> education" would give them?  Those "arguments and viewpoints" are the 
> very reason they picked NSA. It is because they understand those things
> 
> that they chose a school that agrees with the choices they have made.
> 
> I met a U of I student in March who was going to graduate this spring 
> who was bragging to me that he had never read a whole book, and didn't
> 
> intend to.  He said he hated reading, and a person nowadays could be an
> 
> educated person simply by going to college and watching TV. He said it
> 
> was actually his goal to finish his bachelor's degree without having to
> 
> read a whole book, and he knew he would succeed, and, boy, was he 
> modern and proud.  Somehow I would be inclined to trust the "breadth" 
> of education of an NSA student more than that of this fellow.
> 
> The people who are really getting suckered by snake oil salesmen are 
> the folks who think they are getting a balanced education.  So go ahead
> 
> and mock the NSAers all you want. They really don't care-- they're too
> 
> busy reading.
> 
> Cordially,
> 
> Eric E.
> 
> 
> 



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