[Vision2020] The Church of Carl and Joan

Joan Opyr auntiestablishment@hotmail.com
Thu, 13 May 2004 16:23:48 -0700


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Dear Carl:

Make this offer to no one else; I accept.  But first, for the sake of my =
8 -- count 'em, 8 -- followers, I have to ask:

1) Do you suggest we call this "The Church of Carl and Joan" because "C" =
comes before "J" in the alphabet or are you manifesting a hitherto hidden=
 and Doug-like sexism?  I hope it's the former and not the latter.  As mu=
ch as I like you, Carl, I cannot in good conscience allow my hypothetical=
 co-pastor to pinch my metaphorical bottom.    =20
  =20
2) My golf clubs are old and mangy.  Would I be justified in fleecing the=
 flock for a new set, say, by asking church members for a special "love g=
ift" the next time I pass the collection plate?  Since the plate is typic=
ally passed when the bar tab comes due, how can I ensure that the bit I s=
kim off the top for my Heavenly Tiger Woods Signature Clubs is tax-exempt=
?

3) I'm all for creating another Moscow college, but why reinvent the whee=
l?  Let's call ours "The New and Improved St. Andrews."  I'll be the Pres=
ident and you be the Provost -- only fair if your name is going to be fir=
st on the Church billing.  And by all means you should teach Swedish and =
math and lutefisk-making.  Your expertise in those subjects has been reco=
gnized by the ACAJPS, the Association of Carl and Joan Pyramid Schemes.  =20

As for me, I'll teach mixology.  I'll start with the Manhattan, the Sidec=
ar, and the Rusty Nail, but I'll wait until our first "New and Improved S=
t. Andrews History Conference" to deliver my lecture on the Scarlet O'Har=
a.  It's a fiesty little bourbon drink that'll slap you like you were Pri=
ssy.

Bottoms up!
Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
         =20

----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Westberg
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 2:41 PM
To: DonaldH675@aol.com; vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] North of Riggins (but close to LaLa Land)

This inspires me to offer a business deal to Sister Joan.  Rather than ou=
r =20
two churches battling for the collective heart and mind of Moscow, I prop=
ose =20
a merger of the two, Joan.  Last time I heard, you were boasting of a =20
membership boom which brought your total flock to 8.  My membership stopp=
ed =20
eroding, and I'm proud to say it's stayed quite stable of late.  1 member=
  =20
8 plus 1 equals, what, 9?  Is that right?  Strength in numbers, Joan.  We=
 =20
can call it the Church of Carl and Joan.  I like the sound of it.  After =
a =20
while, if we want, we can start a college.  Carl and Joan's College.   I'=
ll =20
teach math, since I just demonstrated my acumen.  I'll also take on physi=
cs, =20
microbiology, brain surgery, Swedish, and how to properly prepare lutefis=
k.  =20
You can take the rest of the classes.  Get back to me soon, before I offe=
r =20
this opportunity to someone else.                                        =
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                                                                         =
    =20
        Carl Westberg Jr.


>From: DonaldH675@aol.com
>To: vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] North of Riggins (but close to LaLa Land)
>Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:58:22 EDT
>
>Visionaries:
>
>I don't regularly follow Doug Wilson's blog, so my thanks to Nick Gier f=
or
>forwarding DW's blog response to Nick's letter to TRACS.  (As an aside, =
I =20
>have
>emailed Dr. Fitzgerald, executive director of TRACS, to ask if it is =20
>routine to
>share confidential mail with his paying clients.  If so, it seems to me =20
>that
>one might justifiably question the integrity of the process.)  But I =20
>digress.
>
>Humor is widely recognized as a way to defuse and dismiss a legitimate
>argument.  The king of rhetoric (at least in his own mind) Doug Wilson i=
s =20
>certainly
>aware of this technique.  So, while we are all having a good chuckle wit=
h
>Doug, I suppose Doug can have a belly laugh with us when (and if) he is =20
>willing to
>address these questions and remarks.
>
>1.  Among the 12 faculty members of NSA (including Doug himself) five ar=
e
>related by blood or marriage to Doug.  Hummmm!  Doug is a permanent memb=
er =20
>of the
>five member NSA Board of Trustees: Doug Jones, (Chair, permanent [board]
>member, and Christ Church elder); David Hatcher; Stan Miller, (also a =20
>Christ
>Church elder); Matt Whitling (also a Christ Church elder) and of course,=
 =20
>Douglas
>Wilson (permanent member, pastor) The extra special elite "Executive =20
>Council" of
>NSA, a three member group, finds our old friend and D.W.'s alter ego, Do=
ug
>Jones, the ubiquitous Doug Wilson, and Roy A. Atwood, Dean of NSA. Frank=
ly, =20
>this
>governing body calls for a Double Hummmmm   Have to say this is not exac=
tly
>what I would call a fair and balanced faculty or governing body.  But th=
en,
>IMO, it's not about fair and balanced and it is a whole lot about Doug's=
 =20
>need to
>control staff, church elders, and family. And, I have to hand it to him,=
 =20
>he's
>well positioned for those time consuming tasks.
>
>2.  Is Canon Press a vanity press for the NSA faculty?  Well, it certain=
ly
>isn't an academic press, nor, in fairness, do I think it even pretends t=
o =20
>be.
>Mostly it seems to be an outlet for the seemingly endless stream of
>consciousness flowing from Wilson Inc. psyche's.  Once again, there is t=
he =20
>requisite
>number of Wilson's, and Christ Church elders in positions of authority.
>  Doug Jones, Editor, and Manager, DW's aide-de-camp at ruling NSA ; and=
 =20
>Patch
>Blakey, Business Manager, and Exec. Director of Wilson Inc. school
>accrediting business, the Association of Classical Christian Schools;
>Credenda Agenda: Doug Wilson, Editor; Doug Jones, Sr. Editor; Nathan =20
>Wilson,
>Managing Editor.
>
>  3.   "It was the UI that spent (some sixteen) thousands of dollars to
>generate opposition to Credenda's history conference,"  (Triple Hummmm)
>  Perhaps Doug will share the evidence he has amassed that documents thi=
s
>assertion.  I know UI didn't pay me a thin dime for my time and by golly=
 I =20
>was as
>invested as anyone I know in exposing this pretentious little caricature=
 of =20
>a =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93
>history=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C2=9D conference.  So, Doug, do you have any sugg=
estions to whom I =20
>might
>direct my invoice - "they" seemed to have overlooked sending me my paych=
eck
>
>Lastly, probably very few folks give a fig if Doug wants to run a Mom an=
d =20
>Pop
>version of a British college in Moscow. Many of us object when he tries =
to
>pass NSA off as a replica of the early days of Oxford with a straight fa=
ce. =20
>If I
>were on the NSA faculty (well, probably not so likely) and I cared about=
 =20
>the
>well being of NSA over the long term, believed in its mission statement,=
 =20
>and
>wanted to build a credible institution (which, speaking only for myself)=
, I
>believe the larger community would welcome, I would surely ask Doug to =20
>confine
>himself to the pulpit and stop masquerading to gullible youth and church=
 =20
>members
>as Moscow's replica of a Renaissance man.  And, I'd beg him to stop the
>braying attempts at patronizing humor featured on his blog. (That, as th=
ey =20
>know, is
>an old problem that the larger Reformed community has been objecting to =
for
>years.) Otherwise, assuming NSA students are as well educated and sharp =
as =20
>they
>claim to be, they'll see right through him too.  Actually, now that I th=
ink
>about it, when did the elders and congregation insert into Doug's job
>description "Be in charge of everything"?  As a gesture of good will =20
>perhaps Doug could
>pass along the manipulations that led to such an all encompassing charge=
 I
>suspect most of us would like to have that written into our job =20
>descriptions as
>well.
>
>Rose Huskey
>
>Once you lose integrity everything else is easy.

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<HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Dear Carl:</DI=
V> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Make this offer to no one else; I accept.&nbsp;=
 But first, for the sake of my 8 -- count 'em, 8 -- followers, I have to =
ask:</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>1) Do you suggest we call this "The Chu=
rch of Carl and Joan" because "C" comes before "J" in the alphabet or are=
 you manifesting a hitherto hidden and Doug-like sexism?&nbsp; I hope it'=
s the former and not the latter.&nbsp;&nbsp;As much as I like you, Carl, =
I cannot in good conscience allow my hypothetical co-pastor to pinch my m=
etaphorical bottom.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV=
>2) My golf clubs are old and mangy.&nbsp; Would I be justified in fleeci=
ng the flock for a new set, say, by asking&nbsp;church members&nbsp;for a=
 special "love gift"&nbsp;the next time I pass&nbsp;the collection plate?=
&nbsp;&nbsp;Since the plate is typically passed when the bar tab comes du=
e, how can I&nbsp;ensure that the bit I skim off the top for my Heavenly =
Tiger Woods&nbsp;Signature Clubs is&nbsp;tax-exempt?</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</D=
IV> <DIV>3)&nbsp;I'm all for&nbsp;creating&nbsp;another Moscow college, b=
ut why reinvent the wheel?&nbsp; Let's call ours "The New and Improved St=
 Andrews."&nbsp; I'll be the President and you be the Provost -- only fa=
ir if your name is going to be first on the Church billing.&nbsp;&nbsp;An=
d by all means you should teach Swedish and math and lutefisk-making.&nbs=
p; Your expertise in those subjects has been recognized by the ACAJPS, th=
e Association of Carl and Joan Pyramid Schemes.&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;<=
/DIV> <DIV>As for me, I'll teach mixology.&nbsp; I'll start with the Manh=
attan, the Sidecar, and the Rusty Nail, but I'll wait until&nbsp;our firs=
t&nbsp;"New and Improved St. Andrews History Conference" to&nbsp;deliver =
my lecture on the Scarlet O'Hara.&nbsp; It's&nbsp;a fiesty little bourbon=
 drink that'll slap you like you were Prissy.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DI=
V>Bottoms up!</DIV> <DIV>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> =
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NT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROU=
ND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><B>From:</B> Carl Westberg</=
DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 13, 2004 =
2:41 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> DonaldH675@aol.c=
om; vision2020@moscow.com</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subjec=
t:</B> RE: [Vision2020] North of Riggins (but close to LaLa Land)</DIV> <=
DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>This inspires me to offer a business deal to Sister Joan.=
&nbsp; Rather than our <BR>two churches battling for the collective heart=
 and mind of Moscow, I propose <BR>a merger of the two, Joan.&nbsp; Last =
time I heard, you were boasting of a <BR>membership boom which brought yo=
ur total flock to 8.&nbsp; My membership stopped <BR>eroding, and I'm pro=
ud to say it's stayed quite stable of late.&nbsp; 1 member.&nbsp; <BR>8 p=
lus 1 equals, what, 9?&nbsp; Is that right?&nbsp; Strength in numbers, Jo=
an.&nbsp; We <BR>can call it the Church of Carl and Joan.&nbsp; I like th=
e sound of it.&nbsp; After a <BR>while, if we want, we can start a colleg=
e.&nbsp; Carl and Joan's College.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'll <BR>teach math, since =
I just demonstrated my acumen.&nbsp; I'll also take on physics, <BR>micro=
biology, brain surgery, Swedish, and how to properly prepare lutefisk.&nb=
sp; <BR>You can take the rest of the classes.&nbsp; Get back to me soon, =
before I offer <BR>this opportunity to someone else.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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rg Jr.<BR><BR><BR>&gt;From: DonaldH675@aol.com<BR>&gt;To: vision2020@mosc=
ow.com<BR>&gt;Subject: [Vision2020] North of Riggins (but close to LaLa L=
and)<BR>&gt;Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:58:22 EDT<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Visionarie=
s:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;I don't regularly follow Doug Wilson's blog, so my than=
ks to Nick Gier for<BR>&gt;forwarding DW's blog response to Nick's letter=
 to TRACS.&nbsp; (As an aside, I <BR>&gt;have<BR>&gt;emailed Dr. Fitzgera=
ld, executive director of TRACS, to ask if it is <BR>&gt;routine to<BR>&g=
t;share confidential mail with his paying clients.&nbsp; If so, it seems =
to me <BR>&gt;that<BR>&gt;one might justifiably question the integrity of=
 the process.)&nbsp; But I <BR>&gt;digress.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Humor is widel=
y recognized as a way to defuse and dismiss a legitimate<BR>&gt;argument.=
&nbsp; The king of rhetoric (at least in his own mind) Doug Wilson is <BR=
>&gt;certainly<BR>&gt;aware of this technique.&nbsp; So, while we are all=
 having a good chuckle with<BR>&gt;Doug, I suppose Doug can have a belly =
laugh with us when (and if) he is <BR>&gt;willing to<BR>&gt;address these=
 questions and remarks.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;1.&nbsp; Among the 12 faculty memb=
ers of NSA (including Doug himself) five are<BR>&gt;related by blood or m=
arriage to Doug.&nbsp; Hummmm!&nbsp; Doug is a permanent member <BR>&gt;o=
f the<BR>&gt;five member NSA Board of Trustees: Doug Jones, (Chair, perma=
nent [board]<BR>&gt;member, and Christ Church elder); David Hatcher; Stan=
 Miller, (also a <BR>&gt;Christ<BR>&gt;Church elder); Matt Whitling (also=
 a Christ Church elder) and of course, <BR>&gt;Douglas<BR>&gt;Wilson (per=
manent member, pastor) The extra special elite "Executive <BR>&gt;Council=
" of<BR>&gt;NSA, a three member group, finds our old friend and D.W.'s al=
ter ego, Doug<BR>&gt;Jones, the ubiquitous Doug Wilson, and Roy A. Atwood=
, Dean of NSA. Frankly, <BR>&gt;this<BR>&gt;governing body calls for a Do=
uble Hummmmm&nbsp;&nbsp; Have to say this is not exactly<BR>&gt;what I wo=
uld call a fair and balanced faculty or governing body.&nbsp; But then,<B=
R>&gt;IMO, it's not about fair and balanced and it is a whole lot about D=
oug's <BR>&gt;need to<BR>&gt;control staff, church elders, and family. An=
d, I have to hand it to him, <BR>&gt;he's<BR>&gt;well positioned for thos=
e time consuming tasks.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;2.&nbsp; Is Canon Press a vanity p=
ress for the NSA faculty?&nbsp; Well, it certainly<BR>&gt;isn't an academ=
ic press, nor, in fairness, do I think it even pretends to <BR>&gt;be.<BR=
>&gt;Mostly it seems to be an outlet for the seemingly endless stream of<=
BR>&gt;consciousness flowing from Wilson Inc. psyche's.&nbsp; Once again,=
 there is the <BR>&gt;requisite<BR>&gt;number of Wilson's, and Christ Chu=
rch elders in positions of authority.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; Doug Jones, Editor, a=
nd Manager, DW's aide-de-camp at ruling NSA ; and <BR>&gt;Patch<BR>&gt;Bl=
akey, Business Manager, and Exec. Director of Wilson Inc. school<BR>&gt;a=
ccrediting business, the Association of Classical Christian Schools;<BR>&=
gt;Credenda Agenda: Doug Wilson, Editor; Doug Jones, Sr. Editor; Nathan <=
BR>&gt;Wilson,<BR>&gt;Managing Editor.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; 3.&nbsp;&nbs=
p; "It was the UI that spent (some sixteen) thousands of dollars to<BR>&g=
t;generate opposition to Credenda's history conference,"&nbsp; (Triple Hu=
mmmm)<BR>&gt;&nbsp; Perhaps Doug will share the evidence he has amassed t=
hat documents this<BR>&gt;assertion.&nbsp; I know UI didn't pay me a thin=
 dime for my time and by golly I <BR>&gt;was as<BR>&gt;invested as anyone=
 I know in exposing this pretentious little caricature of <BR>&gt;a =C3=A2=
=E2=82=AC=C5=93<BR>&gt;history=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C2=9D conference.&nbsp; So,=
 Doug, do you have any suggestions to whom I <BR>&gt;might<BR>&gt;direct =
my invoice - "they" seemed to have overlooked sending me my paycheck<BR>&=
gt;<BR>&gt;Lastly, probably very few folks give a fig if Doug wants to ru=
n a Mom and <BR>&gt;Pop<BR>&gt;version of a British college in Moscow. Ma=
ny of us object when he tries to<BR>&gt;pass NSA off as a replica of the =
early days of Oxford with a straight face. <BR>&gt;If I<BR>&gt;were on th=
e NSA faculty (well, probably not so likely) and I cared about <BR>&gt;th=
e<BR>&gt;well being of NSA over the long term, believed in its mission st=
atement, <BR>&gt;and<BR>&gt;wanted to build a credible institution (which=
, speaking only for myself), I<BR>&gt;believe the larger community would =
welcome, I would surely ask Doug to <BR>&gt;confine<BR>&gt;himself to the=
 pulpit and stop masquerading to gullible youth and church <BR>&gt;member=
s<BR>&gt;as Moscow's replica of a Renaissance man.&nbsp; And, I'd beg him=
 to stop the<BR>&gt;braying attempts at patronizing humor featured on his=
 blog. (That, as they <BR>&gt;know, is<BR>&gt;an old problem that the lar=
ger Reformed community has been objecting to for<BR>&gt;years.) Otherwise=
, assuming NSA students are as well educated and sharp as <BR>&gt;they<BR=
>&gt;claim to be, they'll see right through him too.&nbsp; Actually, now =
that I think<BR>&gt;about it, when did the elders and congregation insert=
 into Doug's job<BR>&gt;description "Be in charge of everything"?&nbsp; A=
s a gesture of good will <BR>&gt;perhaps Doug could<BR>&gt;pass along the=
 manipulations that led to such an all encompassing charge. I<BR>&gt;susp=
ect most of us would like to have that written into our job <BR>&gt;descr=
iptions as<BR>&gt;well.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Rose Huskey<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Once yo=
u lose integrity everything else is easy.<BR><BR>________________________=
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